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The 'Fuck You' Pattern

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Re: The 'Fuck You' Pattern

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Post by [deleted] »

nine_k wrote: post #369
e12e wrote: post #174

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> You thought it was fair that a company spends millions in technical infrastructure and staffing so you can sit at home and spend your time looking at cats for free? No, they have your attention and they're going to connect you to organizations who will pay for it. "The infrastructure" to share cat pictures cost peanuts. It's the addictive dark patterns and montezation/tracking that costs millions. That's the irony.

Go an and run a site that serves massive amounts of cat pictures for peanuts! Well, yes, serving static HTML is easy. Serving images is kind of not hard either, because you have free unlimited traffic, don't you? Some hosting plans offer it. They just limit the egress bandwidth. So maybe you need a few more servers to cope with it, just like $50 a pop. You're not gonna need any CDN, people further away from your DC w…

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Post by distalx »

_trampeltier wrote: post #502
XorNot wrote: post #428

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So how does this explain why Windows 10, which I have paid like $150 for per license, is now infested with ads, tracking and online presence - and close to impossible to buy without that. They aren't even trying to put a $ figure on what they think it's worth - because they can't be stopped from doing it. There is no implied agreement, it's exactly as stated.

What I don't undestand, even Win 10 Pro has XBox and candys all over the place .. serious in a pro version?!? With the terrible EULA it all felt just like a joke to me and I deleted all my Windows installations and I'm Linux only now at home. I'm not using Linux because it is free. I have 4 unused Win10 Pro licenses at home now. But I just can't say yes to the EULA. So I dumped them all. In the late 90s I also bought…

Is there anything specific in EULA that stands out or overall it's bad for their users?

Re: The 'Fuck You' Pattern

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Post by spdebbarma »

watwut wrote: post #529
_trampeltier wrote: post #502

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What I don't undestand, even Win 10 Pro has XBox and candys all over the place .. serious in a pro version?!? With the terrible EULA it all felt just like a joke to me and I deleted all my Windows installations and I'm Linux only now at home. I'm not using Linux because it is free. I have 4 unused Win10 Pro licenses at home now. But I just can't say yes to the EULA. So I dumped them all. In the late 90s I also bought…

The XBox game bar is useful for work actually - it is easy to make videos of bugs or how to use app with it.

I like using Nvidia Shadowplay to do any video recording on my screen.

Re: The 'Fuck You' Pattern

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Post by swilliamsio »

rescripting wrote: post #12
axbytg wrote: post #5

Reddit is full of these patterns in order to drive users from mobile web to app. Reddit mobile web really sets the bar for user-hostile UI in my opinion.

What is worse, is that even though I installed the official app to squelch this nonsense (the Fuck You Pattern is effective) the mobile site still prompts with "Open in the Reddit App". When I click it my iPhone opens the App Store. The App Store then has a big blue "Open" button to launch the app, but of course all context is lost and opening from there brings you to your Reddit front page.

I use Baconreader on Android and its great. I've heard loads of great things about unofficial reddit apps and nothing good about the official app.

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Post by benhurmarcel »

jandrese wrote: post #70
axbytg wrote: post #5

Reddit is full of these patterns in order to drive users from mobile web to app. Reddit mobile web really sets the bar for user-hostile UI in my opinion.

Reddit's new UI is still hilariously terrible. The day they remove old.reddit.com is the day I stop using the site. Who the hell thinks what I want when I click on an article is to bring it into a related article feed with 1.5 comments showing? If I accidentally click outside of the article area the whole thing vanishes with no way to get back where I was. I had thought these issues would be obvious and they would cl…

The new Reddit on desktop is quite bearable if you do 3 things:

- Be logged in.

- Set the view to "classic".

- Always open threads into a new tab. Never just do a left click to open them, use a middle click.

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Post by littlecranky67 »

andrewmcwatters wrote: post #57

"Wow, fuck you. I just wanted to look at cats." "Well, fuck you, too. We're here to sell ads." It's not about dark patterns, that's just a second-order effect. It was never about dark patterns. This is the implied agreement. You understand it, or you don't. And if you don't, I guess you haven't been on the web in the past decade or something. What? You thought it was fair that a company spends millions in technical i…

Don't believe the lie that ads and dark patterns are the only way to run the internet. I remember the internet of the 90s, we had ways to look at cat pictures, too. And ads back then were way less obstrusive and tracking basically nonexistant.

The issue is that FB+Insta try very hard to become the first/default go-to place for people to post content, just to lure in others and extract value out of them.

Re: The 'Fuck You' Pattern

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Post by littlecranky67 »

I also like the mobile youtube website where they will ask you to create an account / login every 2-3 video views to "enhance user experience". This constant nudging (also a dark pattern) is clearly not about enhancing UX (commenting and playlists are not so much of use if you just watch links somebody posts in a chat or email) but clearly for youtube to serve better ads and track you more.

Re: The 'Fuck You' Pattern

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Post by noduerme »

entropyie wrote: post #540
noduerme wrote: post #464

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The killer feature of Ryan Air is that it costs £10 to get to a stag party in Malaga, for people who are too blitzed to care about comfort, basic customer service, getting hijacked by foreign governments, etc. The difference is, there are still professional-grade alternatives to Ryan Air, and the company you work for isn't going to make you fly them for business every day. (If they do, you should really quit).

Blaming Ryanair for getting hijacked? That is harsh. Personally, besides the dark patterns during booking, I find little functional difference between Ryanair and the likes of Aer lingus when traveling . The difference being air travel is highly regulated, as should be surveillance marketing.

Ryan Air makes their seats out of recycled portapotties. The owner repeatedly lobbied for standing room in the back, coin slots on the toilets, and to remove the requirement for seatbelts since "if it goes down, they're all dead anyway." The one time I flew Aer Lingus (in coach, NYC to Dublin via Shannon) I had a fantastic breakfast that still ranks as one of my favorite airplane meals. Sure it cost hundreds of dollars more but once you're in the hands of an airline unfit to transport animals, you wish you'd spent the money.

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Post by piaste »

yibg wrote: post #487
greedo wrote: post #422

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Yeah, it's incredible complex to figure out. (/s) People on this site continually underestimate the ability of users.

I mean, yea it is. My mother is not going to set up a RSS feed for herself of a list of forums that interest her. She does know how to log on to Facebook and look at the feed.

With decent RSS support at the browser level, the experience isn't meaningfully different.

- See interesting page -> click the Facebook follow button to get it added to your FB feed

- See interesting page -> click the RSS button to get it added to your RSS feed

Re: The 'Fuck You' Pattern

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Post by metaphor »

Thorrez wrote: post #516
privacythrow1 wrote: post #473

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Certainly the costs in the 90s were tied directly to physical distribution and comparatively lesser market demand. Whereas nowadays digital distribution is king and market demand is ubiquitous. I'd consider those factors to be responsible for driving prices down before I'd give a multinational corporation credit for allowing me to use their product (that I paid for) in return for pervasive advertising.

Windows 95 had a suggested retail price of $209.95 https://archive.seattletimes.com/archive/?date=19950607&slug... This magazine from 1995 had a CD full of stock images for sale for $18.98 https://the-avocado.org/2018/03/16/lets-read-pc-magazine-jul... So I don't think the physical distribution was a large percent of the price.

> This magazine from 1995 had a CD full of stock images for sale for $18.98

..."for 100 stunning photos on each CD-ROM. $18.98 each" [1], just in case anyone else wanted to square the comparison in proper context.

[1] https://i0.wp.com/the-avocado.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/03...

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