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Europe's Software Problem

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Re: Europe's Software Problem

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One can just look at objective data: https://www.oecdbetterlifeindex.org/ People that say US is a third world country are mostly illinformed, my guess is due to political affiliation as you said, but also the city dynamics, arm chair media consumption (NYT exclusively reports vocal minority issues day in day out) and uninformed about what actual third-world countries are like.

Looking at the data, the sample size is quite pathetic. https://www.oecdbetterlifeindex.org/bli/ The amount of responses is skewed largely to 2-3 countries and the self-report guide is unreliable. On top of that, by their own admission here: https://read.oecd-ilibrary.org/economics/how-s-life_97892641... their empirical data does not account for factors like wealth distribution, and a lot of the subjective indicators…

> Data and science doesn't make something objective

Well the “US is a third world country” take is based on no evidence whatsoever and defies all common sense, experience, etc, so I guess I’ll take the significant but imperfect evidence.

Re: Europe's Software Problem

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> America's problems are numerous and have been discussed elsewhere at length. Suffice to say that sometime between 9/11 and the 2008 financial crisis, America has not been keeping up with other economies in terms of what makes a first world country worth living in. Maybe. Or maybe the media is just peddling negativity such that we are overexposed. I moved to Europe a decade ago and have since returned, and plan to g…

A black friend of mine who's a travel writer (hence has lived in a bunch of different countries) says that she often finds more problems in terms of racism in Europe, relative to the US. Also, a few years back some Indian extraction friends of mine were complaining about casual racism in the Western European country they were living in. So, it's probably not as great as some US media portrays, but it's definitely not…

I’ve traveled Europe a lot as well and was similarly surprised at first (because the media’s portrayal of reality is severely warped). People say things like “America is a literal ethnostate” and other such nonsense but they don’t realize that America is one of the most egalitarian places in the history of the planet. That isn’t contradicted by the bad things that happen or have happened here; it’s just a testament to how bad things are and have been everywhere for all time.

Re: Europe's Software Problem

#543

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Depends on what you consider a "user". You're a user of this website too, presumably running on Linux.

Good point. Everything has free software somewhere in the system. Most content is served using open source software. But almost no-one uses Linux for general computing because open source requires configuration to be usable.

I'm on Manjaro Linux and didn't configure anything :D But, I know what you mean.

Re: Europe's Software Problem

#544

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And your startup is now a company, but also a tax collecting office. You are forced also to be a tax collector, collect money from your clients, keep it safe and pay it to the mobs... to the government before 100 days, either you have it or not. Your customers, of course, hate it. Will hate YOU for that. And will try to press you to forget VAT all the time. This system introduces a incredible amount of anger and fric…

> You are forced also to be a tax collector, collect money from your clients, keep it safe and pay it to the mobs... to the government before 100 days, either you have it or not. Well, you raise an invoice with VAT on it, you get paid, you put the VAT money on the side because it is NOT YOUR money and you pay the VAT to the financial system. Your invoice goes into accounting only when it's paid. Can you explain what'…

> Haven't seen widespread "HATE" anywhere.

I'm really happy for you. Could you repeat that to my customers, please?

Re: Europe's Software Problem

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> raising similar amounts of money in Europe is super hard This. I am European but live and work in US. Simply put, US wins hands down because they: - have resources, read $$$$ - take risk - have the right entrepreneurial mindset Europe? let's just say they are not even close.

In Europe, everybody wants to be a manager because mere developers is not high enough status. In the US, a 45yo DB engineer is akin to highly skilled wizard.

True, this was also my experience before I moved to the US.

Generally speaking, in Europe, the technical career track simply don't exist. You are eventually forced to take the management career path. Eng are seen as the ones scrapping the floors.

In US, at big tech companies, you can stay on the tech career path and get to Principal, Architect, Distinguished Eng etc. At these levels, your voice is heard as much, if not more, as managers.

IC contributors and managers job titles are mapped to an internal company level. For instance, a Principal Eng usually map to a Director. You can easily tell where you are in the career ladder, regardless on the specific track you are on.

Re: Europe's Software Problem

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In Europe, everybody wants to be a manager because mere developers is not high enough status. In the US, a 45yo DB engineer is akin to highly skilled wizard.

Tbh this isn't my experience in the UK. Manager is just one path people take; others aim for tech lead, or principal engineer. I really don't see how 'status' comes into this.

The status is usually reflected in the pay check. Managers tend to be payed more compared to Eng.

Re: Europe's Software Problem

#547

I'm a European, living in Europe, developing software. Lack of imagination is not our problem. It's so good that we supply our best talent to the US where it does extremely well revolutionizing AI, designing hardware for Apple, developing games, stream online music, etc. E.g. Amazon's CTO is Dutch. Basically the person that has been running AWS. The people and the education system are fine. Europe does have a few iss…

Founders of Stripe are Irish

Re: Europe's Software Problem

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This is pretty much how it's supposed to work under GDPR. Offering a clear choice without bias. GDPR isn't about banning cookies. It's about giving the user control of their data.

Well then - cookie popups that must be clicked every time you visit a website until you accept them, must be ok with you, since "this is how it's supposed to work under GDPR". Sorry, but I don't agree. I consider them a scourge on today's Internet. And I find them a horribly steep price for the "privacy" (really just a lousy IP address obfuscation) you gain in their stead.

You don't have to click it every time. Just once.

The choice can be perfectly well saved in a cookie because it's a cookie necessary for site operations. They don't even need approval. Only unnecessary ones do.

Re: Europe's Software Problem

#549

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Yep.. you get paid shit as a dev here unless you run your own business.. has always been like that, will always be like that. Europe will never be big in software. We have nice livable cities, and we have old cultures, that’s about all what’s good here

> Europe will never be big in software. After the Bay Area, NYC and Beijing, London has the most startup funding of any city in the world, and the UK as a whole has the 3rd highest number of unicorns, after the US and China. Parts of Europe are doing badly, others are doing ok (but could do better!).

Yeah, the UK isn’t really Europe...

Re: Europe's Software Problem

#550
Perhaps EU should own software companies developing open-source software that each country can adapt to its needs. It is common with state-owned energy and water utilities. Why not software?
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