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GitHub, fuck your name change

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Re: GitHub, fuck your name change

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Post by douglaswlance »

xroche wrote: post #237

> “Meritocracy!”, I hear you cry. “They pick from the most talented students. The ones that worked the hardest to get into the most elite schools. The black students should have just worked harder” Crazy idea: if companies that do virtue signaling on inclusivity were paying their taxes, decent schools could be funded and we would not have so many of those issues. But instead, those companies are actively lobbying to…

The USA spends more per capita than anyone else and we get worse results.

More money isn't going to fix it.

We need to break up the teacher's unions and put competition into the education marketplace by supporting students not schools.

If we gave every student a stipend that their parent's could use to pick the school they wanted, then our education system would have competition and actually get better.

Re: GitHub, fuck your name change

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Post by Kydlaw »

Uberphallus wrote: post #337
neronero wrote: post #158

EDIT: For comparison: * "Common Mistakes of New Engineering Managers" (5hrs ago, 110 points, 30 comments) -> rank 2 * this post (2hrs ago, 1000 points, 500 comments) -> rank 20 Why is this post being penalized? Too many black folks commenting and up voting? (/s) ----- Amazingly well written. I'm going to say some things. You'd guess wrongly if you infer that I'm bitter - since I'm personally very lucky. Having been b…

> How the fuck does one TAKE A VACATION after your startup fails?! That's hilarious. But hey, you could technically do that in France without swimming in money: you legally can keep your position in a company on-hold while creating a startup, for 1-2 years (3 if you do tricks with your right to a sabbatical year). If it fails after that, you just go back to work. [0] The holidays you might have saved before leaving a…

No you can't. There are requirements that you are not displaying here, because you are using a source article in a language that probably 5% of the HN community can read. You are gaming the system and profit of social advantages offered by the nation for your personal interest. I hope people like you get caught and that you will pay every cent you owe.

Re: GitHub, fuck your name change

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Post by xkiq »

xroche wrote: post #237

> “Meritocracy!”, I hear you cry. “They pick from the most talented students. The ones that worked the hardest to get into the most elite schools. The black students should have just worked harder” Crazy idea: if companies that do virtue signaling on inclusivity were paying their taxes, decent schools could be funded and we would not have so many of those issues. But instead, those companies are actively lobbying to…

Please avoid using "virtue signaling" and other thought-terminating clichés

Re: GitHub, fuck your name change

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Post by goodoldneon »

swiley wrote: post #517
jonathanstrange wrote: post #511

As I've said when this was discussed a while ago, the problem is not with the word "master", it would be with the word "slave". "Master" has many uses that have nothing to do with slavery, as evidenced in words like "master's degree", "master" vs. "apprentice", "mastery", etc. Once "master" is used in combination with "slave", it refers back to slavery and leans on it, there is no doubt about it. That's the case for…

I'm not sure telling everyone to associate a race with "master/slave relationship" is the best idea. Black people aren't the only ones to have been enslaved.

The association varies based on geography. American history is inextricably tied to the slavery of black people, so it's fair that the master/slave relationship is overwhelmingly associated with them in America

Re: GitHub, fuck your name change

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Post by knodi »

vmception wrote: post #47

I’m a black American and agree with everything that this person in London wrote. It is also a common criticism of the American “left”, and is entirely accurate. For everyone perplexed about black Americans and other people of color walking away from the left, its because you/they don't see us as equals that can be bothered by the exact same things that other Americans can be bothered by: being told what to think, wat…

What are you walking away to, the r̶e̶i̶c̶h̶ right?

Re: GitHub, fuck your name change

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Post by andy_ppp »

wiremine wrote: post #530

Disclaimer: I'm a white engineer who is now a VP. I also have a black daughter. I can't speak for the black experience(s) because I'm not black, but I'm also acutely invested in seeing things get better in terms of race relations and opportunities for all people. A few thoughts: 1. Words matter. They aren't the most important thing per se, but they shouldn't be ignored. Over time, all these little changes do add up.…

Interesting thoughts, but it doesn't address the content of the article. The article is saying renaming master to main in Github won't help race relations one bit and he's annoyed that it's probably white people who come up with these things rather than (his example) putting money into retraining for ethnic minorities who change careers.

All your points are true and using positive language around race does matter. Just the desire to remove the word master (which also means principle) from use will not help a single black person or ethnic minority and is simply designed to look good without any real progress being made.

Re: GitHub, fuck your name change

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Post by ratamattat »

jssmith wrote: post #538

I want to share my own reactions to the name change since this is a really interesting topic. For context, I'm an African American, so many of my ancestors were slaves. - The first time it occurred to me that "master" in this context could offend anyone was when GitHub changed the name (and broke my workflow). - My immediate reaction was, "this change is by white people for white people," where "white" means anyone w…

How exactly did it break your workflow? The change only affects new repositories and doesn't prevent you from creating a master branch on those new repositories. You're even able to set any branch name as default on a user, org, or enterprise level.

Re: GitHub, fuck your name change

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Post by MeinBlutIstBlau »

This article is spot on with more white americans beliefs about the issues than many would publicly admit. I'm from the midwest and all I can hear are the same white people that wound racist according to today's left, but in reality, match this exact same thought process. But because they are white they can't say these things.

Re: GitHub, fuck your name change

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Post by pron »

eli_gottlieb wrote: post #536
pron wrote: post #429

Saying that the left spends too much effort on rhetoric might be valid criticism, but focusing on it as reasons to "walk away from the left" (which not too many black Americans are doing, BTW) is disingenuous. Sure, the left talks about rhetoric, but it also fights for higher wages, civil liberties, healthcare, affirmative action, investment in education, workers' rights, and voting rights. It's fine not to like ever…

>Saying that the left spends too much effort on rhetoric might be valid criticism, but focusing on it as reasons to "walk away from the left" (which not too many black Americans are doing, BTW) is disingenuous. That depends whether you distinguish between the Left and the Democratic Party. Most minority voters remain firm Democrats, although fewer than in 2016. Many/most minorities I've met, including myself, are com…

> I agree with you are ultimately nigh-meaningless

I didn't say they're meaningless. Sadly, I'm one of those noisy, crazy woke, anti-free-speech neo-Marxists, but that doesn't mean I don't care more about minimum wage and healthcare. The culture war is very important to me, but other things are even more important/urgent.

> and bam, the Left hates you and wants you gone.

Nope. When such large groups are concerned, of course you'll find people who'd want to ostracize you one way or the other, so the choice of what the "Left" is to you is ultimately on you. If that's what you focus on, an aspect of the left that you don't like but which has been a part of it for a hundred years, then you're just looking for excuses.

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