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Girls perform better academically in almost all countries (2015)

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Re: Girls perform better academically in almost all countries (2015)

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Post by ThorAway00 »

Dma54rhs wrote: post #527
pseudalopex wrote: post #511

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20% is how many boys that age were ever diagnosed with ADHD. 89% of children ever diagnosed have a current diagnosis. Only 62% of children with a current diagnosis take any medication.[1] So much fewer than 20% take a specific medication probably. Almost 40% of boys that age need vision correction.[2] [1] https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/15374416.2017.1... [2] https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/66/wr/mm6644…

Which are absolutely insane numbers compared to very similar societies all around the world. I doubt there is some sort of truly unique illness doing rounds only in America.

Given the opiate situation, I have no doubt there is a massive kickback scheme going on over emotional conformity drugs

The United States most definitely has a unique illness. It’s convinced the masses freedom is being tethered to corporatism.

We need a less militaristic and autocratic 1984

“40 hours a week for deflated earnings is freedom. Quarterly gains for the aristocracy is how we beat ‘them’.”

Re: Girls perform better academically in almost all countries (2015)

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Post by FlyingSnake »

kamaal wrote: post #535
twgp123 wrote: post #180

Throwaway because this is one of the data points you are required to ignore in polite society. Girls receive better grades until you blind the teachers. Teachers are biased in favor of girls, maybe because their behavior is better. The effect of biased grading is enormous and a huge disadvantage to our boys. > Gender-biased grading accounts for 21 percent of boys falling behind girls in math during middle school. [1]…

>>Girls receive better grades until you blind the teachers. Teachers are biased in favor of girls, maybe because their behavior is better. In my country(India) we have board exams, where people evaluating and candidates are both anonymous to each other. People don't write their names, but use a number. Still Girls do better. Let's just agree girls are better at academic work.

On top of that there was also patriarchy that favored boys over girls. The teachers were more receptive and attentive to boys' well being. The resounding success of girls in India (and the subcontinent) in academics is a great indicator that teachers are biased in favor of girls.

Re: Girls perform better academically in almost all countries (2015)

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Post by pfranz »

chewxy wrote: post #483
zionic wrote: post #337

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Future generations will consider us barbarians for dosing our young boys with drugs because we providing them with physical education/exercise was inconvenient to us. They'll also be able to datamine the internet from this time period and use our own words to hang us.

Runnning around does not make a child with ADHD more sedate or perform better in the classroom. "Just go do some exercise" is like telling depressed people to "just cheer up". Yes, exercise definitely helps. But it doesn't make one's mind less noisy internally. Buddhists talk of monkey minds. ADHD is like having a zoo of minds. This anti-medication bias is causing a lot of stigma in society for children who actually…

I don't have any stigma against medication, but I do think our current understanding of treating things like ADHD is primitive. I have a kid that's too young for a formal diagnosis, but has a genetic predisposition for it and has a lot of signs. His sensory input issues might be unrelated, but making sure he gets proper proprioceptive and vestibular input help him regulate (a sensory diet--or exercise). As does nightly melatonin to make sure he's sleeping properly. These are things others in his family never had the attention paid to.

A lot of the complaints and stigma I've seen are from people who took medication growing up. They saw the need and value, but loathe the side effects.

Re: Girls perform better academically in almost all countries (2015)

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Post by [deleted] »

throwgender123 wrote: post #212

I've noticed throughout my life that negative outcomes that primarily affect females (math test scores, wage gap, etc) are Huge Problems That Demand Immediate Action, and negative outcomes that primarily affect males (language test scores, life expectancy gap) are just kind of how it is. I'm not bitching about it or pushing an agenda, but it's not subtle.

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Re: Girls perform better academically in almost all countries (2015)

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Post by skinkestek »

audunw wrote: post #412
throwaway02345 wrote: post #345

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Because if you don't characterize women as an oppressed people in every possible instance then you're sexist. The truth is that women benefit a great deal from the general goodwill that society grants them. From legal sentencing, to taking your kids to the park, to mentorship opportunities, to simply crossing the road. The list goes on, but western society generally goes out of its way to accommodate the needs of wom…

> Because if you don't characterize women as an oppressed people in every possible instance then you're sexist. Do people really say this? I've seen mens rights issues being raised carefully in the last few years, and I've never seen any backlash when done right. Like when you see articles written about women abusing men, or mens rights regarding children. Even women write about these issues. Feels like it's being ac…

Try mentioning men's day at mens day on company slack or twitter to raise awareness of the abuse that young boys suffer in early school. Try to raise awareness of why men are sentenced harder for comparable offenses, graded more harshly (unless anonymous) etc.

Count how many people immediately jump in to try to ridicule you, typically with something like: there are already 364 mens days in the year, why aren't you happy already?

Re: Girls perform better academically in almost all countries (2015)

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Post by [deleted] »

chewxy wrote: post #483
zionic wrote: post #337

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Future generations will consider us barbarians for dosing our young boys with drugs because we providing them with physical education/exercise was inconvenient to us. They'll also be able to datamine the internet from this time period and use our own words to hang us.

Runnning around does not make a child with ADHD more sedate or perform better in the classroom. "Just go do some exercise" is like telling depressed people to "just cheer up". Yes, exercise definitely helps. But it doesn't make one's mind less noisy internally. Buddhists talk of monkey minds. ADHD is like having a zoo of minds. This anti-medication bias is causing a lot of stigma in society for children who actually…

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Re: Girls perform better academically in almost all countries (2015)

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Post by StaticRadio »

ZGDUwpqEWpUZ wrote: post #505
PoignardAzur wrote: post #418

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How to put this factually... Discourse about bias usually makes strong distinctions between groups that are known have relative positions of power in their society (because this discourse is mostly held in Western culture, that usually boils down to "white heterosexual christian-adjacent men") and minority/disenfranchised groups (women, religious minorities, ethnic minorities, LGBT people, etc). Progressive groups ar…

Women are neither a minority nor disenfranchised. And before someone points to male over-representation in government, maybe think for a moment: whose votes put those men there? This failure to think critically leads to some very silly arguments, for example abortion control being "male politicians controlling women's bodies", when in reality men's and women's opinions on abortions are extremely similar (in the US, a…

Lmao you're pathetic, bro.

>And before someone points to male over-representation in government, maybe think for a moment: whose votes put those men there?

Gee, I wonder why a society that still tells rape victims that they asked for it based on the clothes that they wear tends to favor putting more males in government positions than females?

Also, women love to sell out their own gender as well. Why is it only the "soyboy liberal" that bitter, misogynistic men like to whine about 'kowtowing" to "Feminazis"? Plenty of women (especially conservative, religious, and "pick me" women) absolutely love selling out other women. Hell, women slut-shame just as much as men do. And where does most of this shit come from? Jealousy and bitterness, just like racism.

>for example abortion control being "male politicians controlling women's bodies", when in reality men's and women's opinions on abortions are extremely similar (in the US, at least).

Again, sell outs gonna sell out. Doesn't change the fact that it's predominantly male politicians dictating women's bodies.

>Women are neither a minority nor disenfranchised.

There's a difference between physical minorities and power minorities. If only taking crusty old sexist racists out of power were as easy as simply outnumbering them. How is it that countries like India were ruled by the British (that they clearly outnumbered) for so long? How is it that a disenfranchised working class is repeatedly ruled over by a much-smaller elite that doesn't care about them?

https://courses.lumenlearning.com/cochise-sociology-os/chapt...

Seriously, facts don't care about your feelings. I can't believe that I actually created an account just to tell you how demonstrably ignorant you are. And I'll bet you that I never even bother posting again. I already regret it.

Re: Girls perform better academically in almost all countries (2015)

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Post by ingqondo »

zionic wrote: post #337
908B64B197 wrote: post #318

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With shrinking recess time and PE disappearing from some schools, I also wonder if a lot of this is caused by boys having more energy and needing more movement than girls. Energy has to go somewhere so it ends up manifesting itself in behaviors that are deemed "disruptive" (really, not sitting still and being unable to concentrate on tasks). Maybe it's something that female administrators and teachers fail to underst…

Future generations will consider us barbarians for dosing our young boys with drugs because we providing them with physical education/exercise was inconvenient to us. They'll also be able to datamine the internet from this time period and use our own words to hang us.

More likely people will make excuses for us and say 'well it was a different time' even though comments like yours and articles like this are clear exceptions.

There is a certain condescending sympathy that we afford to people just because they lived in the past. It comes from a misplaced desire to avoid anachronism, but ends up committing anachronism anyway.

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Post by TeMPOraL »

Dma54rhs wrote: post #537
pseudalopex wrote: post #531

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America isn't an extreme outlier. And most of the variation around the world can be explained by different diagnostic criteria.[1] Look for numbers around the world to jump as countries adopt ICD-11. [1] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1994964/

84% of total world wide ADHD meds are eaten in the USA. There is a difference between identifying symptoms and thinking stimulants are the answer or just not paying any attention. Just like in Europe the medical consensus is that people have to learn to live with pain rather eating oxy's. It doesnt meant the doctors pain didn't exist in their patients. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6261411/

I know you don't intend it this way, but it does come across as cruel when confronted with realities.

> 84% of total world wide ADHD meds are eaten in the USA.

That's of course because US is ahead of the curve in medicine.

> Just like in Europe the medical consensus is that people have to learn to live with pain rather eating oxy's.

This isn't a medical consensus. We just don't push opioids for everything so early. We start with paracetamol and ibuprofen, upgrade to ketoprofen and other NSAIDs in more specialized or severe cases, and continue as needed. But living with pain is not an acceptable answer here either.

Stimulant meds work very well on ADHD and are very safe, both short and long-term; it's a much better story than say SSRIs and depression. The main problem here is the combination of stigma (oh no, amphetamines!) and fears of abuse by people not suffering from ADHD (oh yes, amphetamines!) - both of which are in large part fueled by the US War on Drugs, the unending source of pathologies and suffering worldwide.

Re: Girls perform better academically in almost all countries (2015)

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Post by bosie »

elzbardico wrote: post #530
websites2323 wrote: post #514

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I don’t have any background is psychology. This information you provided increases my skepticism of ADHD as being a thing at all. In short, I’ve felt since becoming an adult that ADHD is simply the result of forcing people into situations that are poorly suited to their brains, implemented by people who happened to fair well in those situations. That is, the humans themselves aren’t broken, just a different neuro-var…

I was diagnosed late with ADHD. Then I finally got a job where we don't do scrum. Never had to refill my prescriptions again. LOL

Do you mind expanding how ADHD clashes with scrum?
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