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Re: Before buying a NYT subscription, here's what it'll take to cancel it

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Post by oblio »

pembrook wrote: post #489
thinkingemote wrote: post #466

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Looking at the USA from European eyes, there are no leftist publications, nor any left mainstream politicians there!

Someone in China could say the same thing about Europe. There’s hardly any communist mainstream politicians and publications there!

One of them is a authoritarian regime where the press is controlled by the state and the others are a collection of countries with some of the highest democracy ratings in the world, by most scales, including for freedom of the press.

Re: Before buying a NYT subscription, here's what it'll take to cancel it

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Post by dbactual »

deusex_ wrote: post #298
uka wrote: post #147

I just unsubscribed using web form. There are some dark patterns involved but not too dark. E.g. first option is the chat with representative, second is the call by phone and third option is the web form. After I have navigated 3 pages using "default button" for canceling the unsubscription process - it is done. It's not the best experience, but not the nightmare the OP described.

They only have the form for people in California or Europe. long live strong consumer protection laws

FYI, using the NYTimes mobile app should follow the same flow described in the parent comment. I'm in NY state. Just choose the "web form" option to cancel, click through two or three confirmations to cancel. And you're done. Took all of 20 seconds.

Re: Before buying a NYT subscription, here's what it'll take to cancel it

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Post by joncrane »

oliwarner wrote: post #405
pottertheotter wrote: post #151

I had a similar issue with the Wall Street Journal a few years back, and despite having spent the majority of my career working on Wall Street, I’ll never buy a subscription again. I signed up for a really good deal for 6 months of digital + paper delivery, but my paper always arrived a day or two late, so before my 6 months were up I tried to cancel, but couldn’t figure out a way to do so on their website. I message…

Incidents like this make me wonder why there isn't an appetite for better consumer rights in the US. If this had happened in the UK, you'd have the option to pro-actively block the payment, recover it, and legal standing to defend getting your money back. Letting companies redefine the rights of their customers seems bizarre to me.

>Letting companies redefine the rights of their customers seems bizarre to me.

I'm sure it's obvious by now but perhaps it's worth restating:

Those companies have large budgets for contributing to elected officials' campaigns. The individual consumers negatively affected by these practices can't band together as efficiently as the large business on the other side of the abusive behavior.

As long as enough elected officials entertain these businesses in visits, allow them to help write legislation, and accept contributions from them, it won't change.

Also, executive agencies have to put out proposals for new rule making and allow a period of public comment. The business in the sector have entire staffs and/or contract with firms whose job it is to watch these publications and craft intelligent responses backed up by fudged data to "prove" how "damaging" these policies would be to the industry.

The individuals who respond are mostly retired people/activist citizens who can only say "this is a bad idea and I don't like it at all."

Re: Before buying a NYT subscription, here's what it'll take to cancel it

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Post by Shivetya »

knorker wrote: post #481
thinkingemote wrote: post #459

Earlier quoted context omitted.

the comment you replied to didn't comment about the right, but that bias is "harder to spot/acknowledge for people on the left" The implied reverse therefore would be that it's easier for people on the right to see bias in the media. Not that the right dont have bias.

> The implied reverse therefore would be that it's easier for people on the right to see bias in the media. Yeah, that's also what I read. And as evidence to the contrary I pointed out that some people had their world view changed so much that they tried to overthrow the government. Which tells me that they didn't see the agenda they were being pushed. Which contradicts the comment's point. Note that in no way do I d…

Nah, those people just needed an excuse, they were already past the tipping point. They exist on both sides and one side got called out for attacking the capitol while the other is "mostly peaceful protests" because they are only destroying police and private property.

As in, both sides are equally bad for similar but different reasons but we only hear about a singular event that some whack jobs on the far right pulled off. Compare to my local media as an example which buried the story about the violence around a "citizen" road block until a seven year old was murdered as her family tried to go past. Even then it was buried with stories of police violence or right wing threats.

No, those of us who lean to the right know the nut jobs and there that line begins but there where that line is for my left leaning friends is beyond me to understand.

Re: Before buying a NYT subscription, here's what it'll take to cancel it

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Post by plake »

Fuzzwah wrote: post #516
jb775 wrote: post #353

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> they want to persuade me to hold a set of opinions Glad more people are realizing this. It's harder to spot/acknowledge for people on the left since the biased coverage feeds into their worldview...in my opinion it's artificially solidified their confidence on how "correct" they feel they are about political topics. The next step in this realization is nothing to do with one-sided reporting, it's the massive scale…

I'm an outsider to US politics (in that I'm Australian), but I'm really interested to know what widely held "left" views you think are "incorrect"? The topics I understand as being pushed by the left in the US just seem so centerist to me, based on the political landscape that I'm living in. Single payer health care, minimum wage increases, increases in social support nets... So many topics I'd love to hear the argum…

Also not an American, but the US left has a lot of controversial views that are nothing to do with the things you've listed. Surely you've heard of some?

Re: Before buying a NYT subscription, here's what it'll take to cancel it

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Post by oblio »

noir-york wrote: post #420
drzoltar wrote: post #376

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which other paid news publications do you prefer over the NYT?

Consider this another vote for the Financial Times and the Economist. I am subscribed to both, and Foreign Affairs.

You have to be aware of their biases, though.

If I recall correctly both predict the collapse of France, like clockwork, every few years (especially because French policies are slightly more socialist and both publications are super business).

And of course, both look down on non-Anglosphere countries, in general :-)

Re: Before buying a NYT subscription, here's what it'll take to cancel it

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Post by cbames89 »

I signed up once for Sunday delivery only. After 3 months I never received a single paper, then I called to cance. I had a much easier time over the phone, but they were surprised I hadn't received any of my papers even though I called/emailed on 3 occasions that I wasn't receiving my paper...
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