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Re: No More Free Work from Marak: Pay Me or Fork This

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On Twitter, he claims that he was recently made homeless due to an apartment fire, and asks the community to send funds to help him avoid homelessness, which seems reasonable enough. He later goes on to describe "fake news written by the NY Post." I searched for this, and found an article that might be the article he describes (timing fits) [0] Pretty crazy story, all in all! He seems to be in some pretty dire strait…

This looks like a pretty popular project, so I assume he's decently talented. How does he not have a day job? Passion projects are great and all, but they're not known for paying the bills. Especially for solo maintainers, it's almost like playing a gig at a coffee shop for tips. Want to make a career out of it? You need talent, marketability, and be ready to compromise on your vision.

He was one of the founders of Nodejitsu, acquired by godaddy in 2015. I wonder if he ended up not seeing any of that acquisition money?

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#542

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Yeah but it is also hilarious when the contributors of free open source software rage quit when they realize others can use their work for free while the contributors forget to make money. Software developers, man! For a bi-weekly hilarious rage quit, check out Andre Conje on twitter!

That’s horrible. If you produce something for free, and someone uses it to reduce effort and expenses, at least throw some money their way! Doesn’t even have to be much.

I wonder if npm packages should operate in a similar way YouTube does. Why can’t people sell a license via npm? That would be a nice way to browse packages, pay a buck or two for Faker.js for commercial projects. Plenty of us have budgets that $50 dollars could get you some solid pro versions of a lot of software.

We devalue ourselves really.

Re: No More Free Work from Marak: Pay Me or Fork This

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Ah well, just saw the house fire tweet and sent him a few bucks. Guess I'm on one more list now. There seem to be a few articles that are at least not half filled with the ramblings of an elderly neighbour: https://www.qgazette.com/articles/more-charges-possible-for-... https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8737513/NYPD-discov... https://abc7ny.com/suspicious-package-queens-astoria-fire/64... Emotional distress se…

I agree it's terrible that the papers named him so early, and I do think we should give him the benefit of the doubt, but given the information out there right now, there is a reasonable chance he actually was making a bomb. It seems to me like people are willing to jump to the opposite conclusion simply because he's "one of us". Let the investigation play its course.

... what?

You realize the concept of innocent until proven guilty is not a unique concept to HN readers right?

That presumption of innocence is not "act like maybe he was making bombs until proven guilty"?

It sounds like you've let the media erode your understanding of a very basic human right, but do not try and cast it on others as some sort of tribalism.

He is innocent until proven guilty.

Not "reasonable chance" according to your random opinion, but a judge and jury and various council go through a legal case and legally find him guilty.

Re: No More Free Work from Marak: Pay Me or Fork This

#544

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> This is wrong. If someone works a day job, they won't have time to work on their OS projects. As everybody knows, every OSS maintainer doesn't have a day job. > Corporation should pay contribution to the OS projects they use to make billions/year. Impossible to accomplish, because "OS project" is not a legal entity to whom one could pay. > We should have license that requires only high income companies to pay for u…

> As everybody knows, every OSS maintainer doesn't have a day job. We could still have many more if it was viable to do it without being forced to have a day job. Especially when your software is used by many succesfull companies. > "OS project" It stands for open source project. I don't get your quotes here. > Impossible to accomplish, because "OS project" is not a legal entity to whom one could pay. You talk about…

I suggest you do some research. It is perfectly fine to have “mixed” licenses. Redis operates like this and has no problem making money, as do many others.

“adds a lot of difficulty” is a terribly weak argument - you want to make it your job and get paid for it, of course it will take some effort. Nobody owes you anything.

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#545

So you've made something cool and it's time to release it. These seem to be the options at hand: 1. Release under a permissive license (MIT, BSD) and: - Have everyone and their grandma use it. - Die poor 2. Release under a copyleft license (GPL) and: - No company is going to use or contribute to it, unless they can somehow clearly separate it from what they see as their intellectual property. Or just hide it where no…

Who has ever been bashed for releasing a commercial product on HN? It is a startup forum after all.

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#546

Problem: You want to make money for all the work you do your open-source project. But no one pays for it. Reason: Developers choose your project, and developers are at the bottom of the food chain. They have no authority to spend money, usually, or they get pushback and delays if they do. Solution: Band together with the authors of related projects and create a new closed-source product, taking bits of your various c…

At the bottom of the food chain, maybe. But let's see them develop anything without us!

Unionization when?

Re: No More Free Work from Marak: Pay Me or Fork This

#547
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I would be happy if somebody asked for timelines for feature requests, because it would mean that I have the option to extract money by prioritizing those features. Just make the companies bid against eachother, writing a bidding system (maybe second price auction for a work point where you set the number of work points needed for a feature) is really easy.

I already offer both sponsorship as well as tailored consulting, but I haven't found any success in trying to sell that in response to issues. The moment I mention that I can provide commercial support, they tend to become silent. Maybe it's viable if you have a truly massively successful product like Redis or something, but it hasn't been for me at least.

I'm really sorry about that. Still, probably every successful open source project should offer the commercial support by default, I feel like that's the best way to change the culture.

Re: No More Free Work from Marak: Pay Me or Fork This

#548
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I've been noticing more push back against the open source bargain lately. Years ago software was fully build on the backs of a multitude of giants within their niche domain. But for a while now large companies have been adopting a model of taking from open source contributions and raking in billions. The original social bargain of "pay it on" has been broken by the Bezos of the world raking in billions. And yes, as o…

> I've been noticing more push back against the open source bargain lately. Open source is a niche. The vast majority of developers don’t participate in open source. If they do, it’s simple bug fixes that they need for their paid jobs. The number of people creating and releasing significant open source projects is vanishingly small relative to the entire pool of developers. I think it was a mistake to tell entry-leve…

Out of the hundred or so resumes I have worked with at this point the handful that have had their github up that I had time to look at were net-zero or net-negative as an addendum of their resume. There's a difference between an engineer with a history of open source and one that 'did something and pushed to github', and most entry-level engineers haven't had such a strong history of open source that what you see of them would be meaningful anyway. I do try to preach this to what developers I come across but there's only so much that can be done.

Re: No More Free Work from Marak: Pay Me or Fork This

#549

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5: Don't release the code and sell your product. Taking pride in your work also means valueing it properly. - 95% chance you die poor. 4.999% chance you make a decent living out of it. 0.0001% chance Facebook buys it for enough money that you can buy your own island on Mars.

The problem here is that selling your closed source project requires a significantly distinct skill set from writing good code. I wouldn’t be surprised if the Venn diagram of a good project and being able to sell the project for a decent living is much smaller than 5%.

Sounds like providing that skill set would a good business opportunity.

Re: No More Free Work from Marak: Pay Me or Fork This

#550

Anyone arguing how 'this is not the way to do it', 'lol open source Dev what did he expect' or explains how they have been using his software 'but it's not that important' are the Republicans of the development community. Fucking shameful to see people talk like this about folks who do good, open and free work to make things better. Go and look yourself in the mirror and repeate those words. One day your corporate ow…

Yay for binary thinking.
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