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Beta users of Starlink get downloads of 11 to 60 Mbps

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Re: Beta users of Starlink get downloads of 11 to 60 Mbps

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Lol here in .it I get a 1 Gbps ftth connection for 24,95 €/month

I was paying in excess of $112 US a month for the priviledge of DSL that had about a 60% uptime on fair weather days, and 0% uptime on rainy days. I also forgot to mentiom how my DSL speeds got that low; one section of telephone wire on my rural street had literally no usable pairs left (they had all corroded into nothing). the linesman had to reroute our phone line about 1.5miles out of the way in the opposite direc…

The more I grow up and read about the US, the more I am glad I was born on Europe.

Re: Beta users of Starlink get downloads of 11 to 60 Mbps

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Starlink internet is not meant to replace hard line internet. There is no getting around the physics of cable being so much cheaper/easier. Even terrestrial cell towers are more efficient and cheaper than satellites. This is 100% meant to supplement existing infrastructure not to replace it. You will almost always get cheaper and faster internet (for both you and the company providing internet) over a cable to your h…

A lot of what you're saying isn't actually true here. Light moves significantly (47%) slower through optical fiber than through space. This drastically reduces the latency of long distance connections. We're talking NY round trip to Japan in the same time it takes NY roundtrip to the UK now. The cost of backhaul and ongoing maintenance of cables is a lot more than SpaceX launching their own satellites by an entire or…

The current generation of Starlink doesn't actually have any optical inter-satellite links which would forward your packets from satellite to satellite around the world.

Your packets will go up to the satellite, immediately down again to the next ground station and from there to the destination through the normal fiber backbone.

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Ok you got me with "overlooking the ocean". I will admit, I was a little bit envious. But then I recalled the great Terry Pratchett quote that you are living on a continent where pretty much every animal, except for maybe some sheep, is equipped with some venom and actively trying to kill you. Plus some of the plants. So I guess it's fair play.

From an Australian perspective, the USA can look like a place where the earth might suddenly turn to jelly and knock your city down, or giant wind vortexes could descend from the sky and carry you away - things which seem more terrifying to me than a few animals I can easily avoid. I kind of assume those things are blown out of proportion in media much the same way our wildlife is.

Those are generally problems in the warm parts of the US. If you can survive snowy winters, you won't see much of the more exciting natural disasters. There are no hurricanes or tornadoes in Maine.

Re: Beta users of Starlink get downloads of 11 to 60 Mbps

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The house models themselves might use the same geometry and textures, but if you pre-bake any lighting then that’s a unique texture across every single surface in the world that can’t be deduplicated.

Depending on how the models are expressed in the environment, theres a good chance they end up as triangle meshes with unique coordinates by the time the running game eversees them.

Unless it’s changed a lot since I worked in game dev, models absolutely are instanced but poly counts, texture resolutions and number of textures have gone through the roof. You used to have a texture and maybe a light map, now you have separate diffuse, specular, bump, glow, decals, etc. etc.

Re: Beta users of Starlink get downloads of 11 to 60 Mbps

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Rubbish. I went to New Zealand once and the fucking mozzies were the size of a golf ball. I'll take the one redback encounter every 5 years in Australia thanks.

Well as a kiwi I remember at the tender age of 11 going to Australia for the first time and finding a stick insect on the footpath about as long as my forearm the first time we left the hotel. That was fun. Actually I lived there a couple years in my late teens and you look up at the power lines and see big spiders in them but that's about it. I've been far more terrified of my encounters with Suzumebachi and Mukade…

The seriously poor won't have guns, they're too expensive. Generally the (...mentally present...) homeless are terrified of getting injured, because of course no health insurance. They're not doing muggings.

Knives and sticks are a different matter.

Re: Beta users of Starlink get downloads of 11 to 60 Mbps

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Honestly, one of the barriers to my moving to a more rural area and working remotely was broadband access, but Starlink could very well solve that problem...

In Australia I moved to a very rural place, buying a house based on where I could get wireless broadband as part of our nationwide broadband rollout - I now live in a beautiful remote place overlooking the ocean with 50/20mbps Internet. Before here, I lived in another rural place near the ocean, however there was no broadband and 4G was too expensive. I ended up making friends with someone who had a 1gbps fibrelink 1…

I just moved out of Sydney to somewhere regional (not rural). NBN installation is turning into a joke (probably a month or two off due to tree roots growing through a cable) so I have turned to 4g. Telstra now do 200gb a month for $75, which has allowed me to stay here working (work only data usage is 100-150gb a month). Didn't think I'd be grateful to Telstra ever in my life, but here I am.

Re: Beta users of Starlink get downloads of 11 to 60 Mbps

#547
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There is absolutely no way a satellite network can clear that kind of downlink bandwidth. Evergreen comment. Encoding and compression software and hardware continue to improve. The only constant in technology is change. Will we be able to do this sort of bandwith to LEO eventually? Yes. Can we do it this very moment? No one has tried.

There are underlying physical limitations to spectral efficiency. The best modulation schemes in use today can hit about 60 bits per second per hz of bandwidth. Meanwhile, single fibers top out above 40 terabit. To duplicate the bandwidth of just a single fiber link with a radio downlink, you'd need over 600 ghz of available spectrum. That'd require advances pushing deep into the thz gap, but beyond that, the physics…

> 60 bits per second per hz of bandwidth

Between one transmitter and receiver. Starlink is designed to cheat Shannon by utilizing SDMA on a truly massive scale. Every antenna in the system, both on the satellites and on the ground stations, is a large phased-array antenna, capable of simultaneously emitting different signals on the same wavelength in different directions, and capable of discriminating between multiple different signals on the same wavelength that come from different directions.

This is how Starlink intends to push so much throughput over just ~50 GHz of bandwidth. Not by pushing more bits per hz per link, but by filling the sky with hundreds of simultaneously visible satellites, and having each of them to all use all of the available spectrum at the same time on every link between any of them and any of the ground stations.

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Well as a kiwi I remember at the tender age of 11 going to Australia for the first time and finding a stick insect on the footpath about as long as my forearm the first time we left the hotel. That was fun. Actually I lived there a couple years in my late teens and you look up at the power lines and see big spiders in them but that's about it. I've been far more terrified of my encounters with Suzumebachi and Mukade…

The seriously poor won't have guns, they're too expensive. Generally the (...mentally present...) homeless are terrified of getting injured, because of course no health insurance. They're not doing muggings. Knives and sticks are a different matter.

Los Angelino here I gotta say the homeless are absolutely 100% not afraid of being injured and are only on this plane of reality in a physical sense. Take a drive down Venice boulevard to Skid Row and you will see encampments of a symbiotic nature - literal fused together tents with working lights on the ground level of skyscrapers with garbage fires to keep warm. Australia has the reputation for killer bugs, a walk into south side Chicago is exponentially more terrifying than any wildlife encounter as at least animals follow patterns and will typically leave you alone if vice versa. We are an unhinged and well armed people with lack of affordable healthcare. But I do have 90 mbps download and upload speed so I kinda just keep my head in the clouds.

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Heh Heh Heh. Well, Isaac Butterfields response applies: https://youtu.be/t1uZZ_xRYvQ?t=153 Snakes and spiders are pretty much it. Snakes are very rare to see unless you travel to the bush. Spiders though, are common outside. Once you've learned not to turn over rocks in your garden (with your bare hands anyway), you're fine. :)

> Once you've learned not to turn over rocks in your garden You have no idea how ridiculous that sounds to me.

It's the kind of thing you learn as a kid in Australia. It's super common to have "red back" spiders under rocks, logs, or pretty much any object that's stationary on the ground for more than a few days.

Red back spiders are poisonous, evil looking little buggers! ;)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redback_spider

Funnel web spiders are a thing as well, but they seem to be less common here in Victoria (south eastern Australia). Red backs though are everywhere.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_funnel-web_spider

Re: Beta users of Starlink get downloads of 11 to 60 Mbps

#550
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Anyone complaining about this has never experienced the frustration of rural living when it comes to internet. This is absolutely amazing, and it will just get better. Even a reliable 10mbps would be a godsend in many places.

Reliable 10mbps is a stable full hd stream and 5ish mbps to spare. Easily one stable video call or two at lower quality. It'll be annoying if you want to download the latest AAA shooter coming in at dozens and dozens of gigabytes, sure. But you can do a lot at 10mbps as 1-2 people needing the uplink. That's really nice.

> Reliable 10mbps is a stable full hd stream

Nobody needs HD video, unless to flex their new TV.

HD might be nice to have, but Youtube video is fine at 360p and audio at 240p.

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