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Microsoft President: We Need a Hippocratic Oath for Software Engineers

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Re: Microsoft President: We Need a Hippocratic Oath for Software Engineers

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How about a Hippocratic Oath for business leaders? This is shifting the responsibility from management towards the engineers. It's not the engineers who pulled the trigger at Facebook - or Microsoft. They build the weapons. Management fires them. This is a hypocritic ode. If somebody is acting unethically at MS then it is management. All the innovation that is not happening because MS is abusing their position. Two t…

Why isn't this the top comment? Microsoft executives seem more in need of lessons in ethics than their engineers. Just one example from last year: >'We did not sign up to develop weapons' say Microsoft employees protesting $479 million HoloLens army contract https://www.pcgamer.com/we-did-not-sign-up-to-develop-weapon... >They build the weapons Talking of weapons, while we speculate about what AI might be used for, M…

Building weapons is immoral? Tell that to the WW2 industrial complex that supported the war.

Not building weapons for the war effort is not always right. That is an intentional double negative because I think it's the most clear if you read it twice. Building weapons for the war effort is sometimes right would be the boolean negative of that statement.

>Microsoft executives have literally decided to build actual weapons.

Yep. Literally they did. Clearly all US weapons are evil in your opinion because you disagree with all US weapon usage I'm guessing? You have to combine the argument that they are literally making weapons with the fact that those weapons are being used in a way you don't agree with.

Keep in mind that most of these advanced weapons they are literally making are not designed against the current wars you most likely disagree with. They are built, to include AI, to keep pace with advanced threats from other countries. Allowing us to fall behind technologically, due to perceived moral black/white issues of current wars, could lead to a whole new world in 40 years as you make your arguments in a well protected environment. Not researching advanced topics will lead to an asymmetric fight... not in our favor... if the enemy so chooses.

Reference our usage of nuclear weapons. If you think that was evil, then you wouldn't want an evil country / group of people to gain such an asymmetric advantage. If you think it was necessary, then you want to have an asymmetric advantage when it is necessary against an evil group. Yes I recognize the inherent cyclical issue with the above statement. Either way, allowing all people to gain an asymmetric advantage while we just discard all research in hopes that others will follow is ignorant of history - war theory is a thing.

Re: Microsoft President: We Need a Hippocratic Oath for Software Engineers

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Re: Microsoft President: We Need a Hippocratic Oath for Software Engineers

#543

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The ACM itself also won't put its code on the right side of the kind of wrongs being perpetrated in China.

What do you mean?

They don't want to alienate Chinese members so they go to great lengths to prevent the code of conduct from outright prohibiting participation in the creation of things like the systems used to control and oppress the Uyghurs, etc.

Re: Microsoft President: We Need a Hippocratic Oath for Software Engineers

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The ACM Code of Ethics and Professional Conduct has been around for a while and surely is a good start. But if you read through it, you'll quickly come to the conclusion that unless leadership buys into it your only real option is to quit your job if asked to do something you shouldn't. https://www.acm.org/code-of-ethics

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