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I feel like the good faith presumption for this company has to have shifted by now. Is there any reason not to assume that the Chinese government is surveilling Zoom calls en masse? Documenting participants (face, voice, language, location, etc.), recording content, etc. We're talking about the data of 200M+ users. I see people on HN defending Zoom all the time. >The company has acknowledged that much of its product…
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I generally share a smattering of links like these: Zoom banned from New York City schools due to privacy and security flaws https://www.fastcompany.com/90486586/zoom-banned-from-new-yo... Google Told Its Workers That They Can’t Use Zoom On Their Laptops Anymore https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/pranavdixit/google-bans... Elon Musk's SpaceX bans Zoom over privacy concerns https://www.reuters.com/article/us-spacex-…
I relied on Mozilla's guide and they seem to be perfectly OK with recommending Zoom as a video conferencing app https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/privacynotincluded/categor...
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A Whereby-developer here. It's awesome you recommend us. You can turn on "mobile mode" in advanced device settings, and it should be a bit better. But we're a bit limited in how CPU-friendly we really can be, living in the browser. Not that we can't improve, there's certainly extra tricks we could try - but not easily without also lowering fps and resolution. I don't think "low resource use" is a big selling-argument…
Nice! Fellow Scandinavian here. Just some feedback. I think the free tier was a little unclear. > Free > Personal use > 1 user > 1 meeting room I have trouble reading this. It's as if I coule only create one room for myself without having anybody to chat with.
A p2p room can have 4 total people in it. So say you plus 3 concurrent guests, none of those guests need any account or "user".
Indeed even you don't have to log in after you've created the room if you leave it unlocked. :)
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A Whereby-developer here. It's awesome you recommend us. You can turn on "mobile mode" in advanced device settings, and it should be a bit better. But we're a bit limited in how CPU-friendly we really can be, living in the browser. Not that we can't improve, there's certainly extra tricks we could try - but not easily without also lowering fps and resolution. I don't think "low resource use" is a big selling-argument…
Hey! I've been using Whereby at work for a while and it's great. However, I should mention that it's not possible to join calls through the mobile app (as far as I can tell), and the web app on mobile wouldn't capture my Bluetooth headset's audio properly somehow. Again, thanks for the great work. Just thought I'd let you know :)
I was working on fixing up that when COVID-19 hit. Now we're trying to stamp out more obscure audio+video bugs (like bluetooth, which can be unreliable). We're in process of hiring a few more people so we can hopefully put someone on caring more for the non-logged in mobile app experience.
You do get a join button once you've logged in. But I must confess it is not a good experience by default. It used to be on the top of the priority list, but then scaling and any video/audio issues jumped to the top.
I feel like the good faith presumption for this company has to have shifted by now. Is there any reason not to assume that the Chinese government is surveilling Zoom calls en masse? Documenting participants (face, voice, language, location, etc.), recording content, etc. We're talking about the data of 200M+ users. I see people on HN defending Zoom all the time. >The company has acknowledged that much of its product…
Would it be technically feasible to record everything?
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China has been accused a number of times of engaging in industrial espionage. As a company developing a lot of high technology products, I think Google is entirely justified in keep Zoom out of its technology infrastructure.
If it wasn't clear, I was just being sarcastic about Google's huge number of messaging products... I fully agree with your statement, their move totally makes sense from an IP protection standpoint.
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Hey! I've been using Whereby at work for a while and it's great. However, I should mention that it's not possible to join calls through the mobile app (as far as I can tell), and the web app on mobile wouldn't capture my Bluetooth headset's audio properly somehow. Again, thanks for the great work. Just thought I'd let you know :)
Thanks! It is very valuable with feedback like this, even if in this case we're painfully aware of it. :) I was working on fixing up that when COVID-19 hit. Now we're trying to stamp out more obscure audio+video bugs (like bluetooth, which can be unreliable). We're in process of hiring a few more people so we can hopefully put someone on caring more for the non-logged in mobile app experience. You do get a join butto…
I wonder if we'll hear the "they're a private company, they can do what they want, it is only censorship if the government does it" routine. I remember about a decade ago when certain parties were so concerned with voices being silenced and "erasure." The same people are now cheering when Facebook, Twitter, and the like shut down certain kinds of speech, with great discretion as to how the "rules" are implemented. Th…
This of course can become slippery and slope-y eventually, if a propaganda machine takes over as the tolerance authority, but I don't think that's a real problem compared to what the other problems the argument is trying to address.
I feel like the good faith presumption for this company has to have shifted by now. Is there any reason not to assume that the Chinese government is surveilling Zoom calls en masse? Documenting participants (face, voice, language, location, etc.), recording content, etc. We're talking about the data of 200M+ users. I see people on HN defending Zoom all the time. >The company has acknowledged that much of its product…
> Is there any reason not to assume that the Chinese government is surveilling Zoom calls en masse? It makes perfect sense to boycott Zoom based on their security issues, but does the presumption of innocence mean nothing anymore? It shouldn't be difficult to prove that Zoom is actively trying to block Chinese activists. China banned Zoom during the trade war. Are you going to treat that as evidence that Zoom isn't c…
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You could give Whereby [1] a try. I really liked it when it was named "appear.in" (that's now a completely different company), and used it for a bit, until my work switched to Teams. Whereby is, as far as I can tell, completely owned by a Norwegian registered company. 1: https://whereby.com
A Whereby-developer here. It's awesome you recommend us. You can turn on "mobile mode" in advanced device settings, and it should be a bit better. But we're a bit limited in how CPU-friendly we really can be, living in the browser. Not that we can't improve, there's certainly extra tricks we could try - but not easily without also lowering fps and resolution. I don't think "low resource use" is a big selling-argument…