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Re: Ask HN: What has your work taught you that other people don't realize?

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That people sometimes do shitty things, make mistakes or let me down, and no matter what, if I squint - I can see myself. That I'm not always right, or always better than Joe. And that: I'm not always wrong, and Bob is not always better than me. That we might hit our deadline. And the world will still be there if we don't. That people do things I don't understand, for reasons I will never see or be able to anticipate…

Looks like you discovered Taoism on you own

Such is the way... universally apparent, yet difficult to see.

Re: Ask HN: What has your work taught you that other people don't realize?

#542

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BTW, I just remembered another consultant story the other way around. I was trying to do a banking deal and they sent me a draft that had the requirements listed as checkboxes. [X] Form 123-AB has been signed [X] Project duration less than 2 years ... [ ] Company financials have been audited and confirmed And the offer was timed to expire within days. At first, I thought this was a joke in bad faith, as there would b…

> In other words, while I considered what the accountant guy did to be a rather low-effort incomplete job, he did exactly what was expected of him by the bank and what I needed to get my deal done. The degree to which everything runs on this sort of system is kind of horrifying, once you're exposed to enough things like this for that to sink in. Relatedly, I guess my contribution to the broader thread would be: Almos…

In social science there is a law along the line of:

50% of the work is done by the square root of the number of people in your organization.

Re: Ask HN: What has your work taught you that other people don't realize?

#543

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The downside of trades is that most people are there only for the money. From this you can derive the rest.

Yep Facebook, Twitter, Amazon and google and the rest of those money hating software companies are just in it for the good of free speech and democracy. :S Trades are OK when you're young. If I'd been a carpenter at 18, i'd be bored of it by 26 and probably be thinking about starting my own company or time to pivot into a new thing. The big downside of trades is they aren't jobs you can do forever.

I did that carpentry thing too for a year, a long time ago. Hanging down head over by the knees from the ridge, and banging nine inch nails into the rafters from below. Up to 8 floors high. Looking like an animal. What can i say? In retrospective it was much more satisfying than much of anything i did afterwards. I really built something to last, immediately visible, tangible.

Though of course it would have been hard to do that for more than five to ten years. And it WAS dangerous. Many alcoholics there also.

edit: But i really learned to use a hammer from some functional alcoholic which needed two bottles of beer first to get his shaking under control. So...prejudice be damned!

2nd edit: He, in traditional carpenters clothes, coming from Berlin and speaking that dialect. Lying in the shade of some wall, upping his level of beer.

Me, mostly clueless but agile rookie, stylelessly in military surplus chlothing somewhere in the 'Ruhrpott' in North-Rhine-Westphalia, slowly doing his thing up there.

He, 'Dude! I can't stand nor hear and see how you are hammering!'

Me, 'Wassup?! Show me then you lazy old fart!'

And he did. Effectively 'teaching in' hands on at first, then by constantly giving voice feedback from his shadow behind the wall. Like, 'Too slow, better, Jaa!, like that, go on!'

And so i did, happily banging away heads down and bare chested in the morning sun, not minding his lazyness at all.

Re: Ask HN: What has your work taught you that other people don't realize?

#544

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Why single out managers? This is a quality of pretty much all people including arrogant tech workers who think they are better than everyone else.

I was surprised by the number of times I've seen the most-voted comment on HN was outright wrong, or so off the mark it was not even wrong (in subjects at the periphery of tech where I have personal experience). I think managers & tech workers figure "Since I'm really good at X & Y, I must be good (in general). I have figured out how the world works (or can figure it out, after giving it a few minutes thought)". It's…

Take the currently most upvoted top-level comment on this thread for example, about how everything is a "system."

Re: Ask HN: What has your work taught you that other people don't realize?

#545

Some number of years of experience is not and never will be equivalent to a CS bachelor's. I'm done explaining why an undocumented O(n^2) solution that violates most of the SOLID principles is a Bad Thing.

It is also true that a CS bachelor's is not and never will be equivalent to actual experience working as a software engineer.

For example, in school nobody ever taught you what it's like working on a team of 30 on a two-decade old code base with a million lines. You have different kinds of problems due to the scale - problems that school never taught you how to handle.

Re: Ask HN: What has your work taught you that other people don't realize?

#546
post #513

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Is a CS bachelor’s necessary to understand that? Does a CS bachelor’s guarantee that this is understood?

This is a silly, silly attempt to knock down a point that should be self-evident. Success in life isn't a formal proof. Exercising every day, keeping your weight down, eating a Mediterranean diet, not smoking, having healthy relationships, and sleeping eight hours a night do not guarantee that you'll live to reach retirement age. However , they drastically increase your odds.

It's not that silly. Just making the point that I've met plenty of people without degrees who are absolutely great engineers. And my company somehow comes up with plenty of badly engineered systems, despite being full of people with CS degrees.

Is it possible that there's some sort of cognitive bias going on with your and mine strong, opposing feelings on this subject?

Re: Ask HN: What has your work taught you that other people don't realize?

#547

Life is fleeting. Most of us here are 1/3 or more of the way done. Divest yourself as much as possible from your job. Find other sources of identity. You don't need that fancy car or to buy a boat as much as you need that ejector seat savings account. And when you realise that conditions have evolved to a point where you're not having fun anymore (and they always eventually do), eject yourself and go spend far more t…

Why not fully get invested in your job? You spend the better part of your day working so it's almost futile to divest. Instead of wasting that part of your life, why not make it worthwhile?

Re: Ask HN: What has your work taught you that other people don't realize?

#548

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I like to think that companies respond to my inquiries much quicker and more diligently since I started sending them out as LaTeX-formatted letters.

Interesting. What do you mean by "companies" and "inquiries," and what documentclass do you use? Edit: Or, were you joking? ;)

> were you joking

Nope. This is real.

> what documentclass do you use

dinbrief.cls (the most fitting one IMO since I'm German)

> what do you mean by "companies" and "inquiries"

Mostly subscription cancellations and asking for refunds.

Re: Ask HN: What has your work taught you that other people don't realize?

#549

Some number of years of experience is not and never will be equivalent to a CS bachelor's. I'm done explaining why an undocumented O(n^2) solution that violates most of the SOLID principles is a Bad Thing.

It is also true that a CS bachelor's is not and never will be equivalent to actual experience working as a software engineer. For example, in school nobody ever taught you what it's like working on a team of 30 on a two-decade old code base with a million lines. You have different kinds of problems due to the scale - problems that school never taught you how to handle.

Imagine approaching that codebase without basic foundational knowledge. What sort of mess would you get into then?

Re: Ask HN: What has your work taught you that other people don't realize?

#550
post #513

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is a CS bachelor’s necessary to understand that? Does a CS bachelor’s guarantee that this is understood?

This is a silly, silly attempt to knock down a point that should be self-evident. Success in life isn't a formal proof. Exercising every day, keeping your weight down, eating a Mediterranean diet, not smoking, having healthy relationships, and sleeping eight hours a night do not guarantee that you'll live to reach retirement age. However , they drastically increase your odds.

Since we're being pedantic: analogies aren't reality. Saying that a healthy lifestyle could improve your longevity doesn't in any way support the argument that a CS degree makes one more likely to understand big O.
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