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Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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Post by kiba » Thu, Oct 24, 2019, 4:54 AM UTC

dnautics wrote: post #206

kiba wrote: post #115

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Interesting. I would argue that government officials can be reliable, efficient, conscientious, when they are properly incentivized. Instead, there are various pathologies that infect various organs or agencies at various time, often at time seemly mutually exclusive but they coexist nonetheless. The government isn't given the trust needed to regulate or otherwise do its job efficiently. See various civil engineering…

> I would argue that government officials can be reliable, efficient, conscientious, when they are properly incentivized. What do you propose as the magical "proper" incentivisation?

Why do you think I presume to know a 'magical' one-size fit all solutions?

Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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Post by theseatoms » Thu, Oct 24, 2019, 5:20 AM UTC

redisman wrote: post #433

pennaMan wrote: post #258

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You'll love the John Carmack episode then :)

The Carmack episode was great but the follow-up questions I wanted to ask Carmack and what Joe Rogan actually follows-up was a bit disappointing.

JRE is breadth first search, within a certain...domain.

Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Oct 24, 2019, 5:31 AM UTC

lern_too_spel wrote: post #539

jakeogh wrote: post #538

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https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15003606

That claim is easily refuted with a minute of Googling, just like the Pizzagate conspiracy theory. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theory#Etymology_...

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Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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Post by vfc1 » Thu, Oct 24, 2019, 6:38 AM UTC

gr678 wrote: post #499

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Journalist or not, he still has a responsibility to his audience. It's a shared responsibility, between him and the guests and the people that listen and take it at face value that should know better. He can very well balance better the entertainment aspect with the accuracy of the information, especially on topics that have an actual impact on people's lives like health-related topics.

> he still has a responsibility to his audience. What? If people stop liking what he has to say, they'll stop listening to him. I don't know what your point is. Set up federal regulations on the Joe Rogan Podcast because you disagree with some things he says?

My point is that Rogan does have some sort of moral responsibility for not letting his platform be used so easily to massively disinform the public on non-scientific beliefs.

Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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Post by vfc1 » Thu, Oct 24, 2019, 9:00 AM UTC

bmurphy1976 wrote: post #488

vfc1 wrote: post #384

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Not everyone with formal training is an expert, but its the minimum requirement. Literally no one without formal training can be an expert in such a complex topic as heart disease. Why is Joe Rogan asking about heart disease to a licensed acupuncturist in a podcast with 60 million downloads a month? It's like asking for legal advice from a massage therapist. If you had heart disease or someone in your family had it,…

> Not everyone with formal training is an expert, but its the minimum requirement. Literally no one without formal training can be an expert in such a complex topic as heart disease. I have no bone in this particular fight. I'm inclined to agree with you, most of the time, but it's clearly possible to be an expert in nearly anything without formal training: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Srinivasa_Ramanujan Lots of ab…

It depends, if looking for advise on how to use excel from someone, I don't think that they need to be certified or whatever.

For asking someone to do some web design or a logo, I don't think it's necessary either, but there is a limit somewhere.

Think about this way, if you yourself or someone in your family would have heart disease, would you take advice from an acupuncturist?

I bet you wouldn't. What are the odds that Kris Kresser without any formal training or experience managed to better understand the science behind such a complex topic like heart disease than full-time scientists and cardiologists?

Self-learning is great for a lot of things, but heart disease is likely not one of them.

Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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Post by top_kekeroni_m8 » Thu, Oct 24, 2019, 9:24 AM UTC

fluffything wrote: post #402

puranjay wrote: post #283

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I'm a frequent listener and the only subject I assume Rogan is an authority on is martial arts and nutrition. I ignore much of what else he says, but I respect his knowledge on those two topics. Other listeners I've spoken to feel the same way. And I reckon Rogan knows that too

I would say martial arts and being a comedian. But he knows a lot about nutrition as well.

He is very biased toward the carnivore/keto kind of diet and dismisses any kind of plant-based diets with "bro science". I would never listen to his nutrition advice, it's just incredibly biased and factually incorrect.

Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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Post by vermilingua » Thu, Oct 24, 2019, 9:26 AM UTC

tkifnn wrote: post #537

pacala wrote: post #113

Snowden: But I didn't come forward to be safe. If I wanted to be safe, I'd still be sitting in Hawaii, making a hell of a lot money, to spy on you.

Does the NSA actually pay well?

He said that he'd make ~2x at the NSA as what he'd make in an equivalent private sector job, so it seems that way.

Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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Post by jakeogh » Thu, Oct 24, 2019, 10:06 AM UTC

lern_too_spel wrote: post #539

jakeogh wrote: post #538

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https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15003606

That claim is easily refuted with a minute of Googling, just like the Pizzagate conspiracy theory. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theory#Etymology_...

With a few more seconds one could CTRL-F 1035-960.

Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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Post by shadowgovt » Thu, Oct 24, 2019, 11:45 AM UTC

lern_too_spel wrote: post #539

jakeogh wrote: post #538

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https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15003606

That claim is easily refuted with a minute of Googling, just like the Pizzagate conspiracy theory. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theory#Etymology_...

Hah, the difference being some people still believe in conspiracy theories. Nobody believes in Pizzagate.

Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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Post by fluffything » Thu, Oct 24, 2019, 12:11 PM UTC

top_kekeroni_m8 wrote: post #546

fluffything wrote: post #402

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I would say martial arts and being a comedian. But he knows a lot about nutrition as well.

He is very biased toward the carnivore/keto kind of diet and dismisses any kind of plant-based diets with "bro science". I would never listen to his nutrition advice, it's just incredibly biased and factually incorrect.

There is some research nowadays showing that different diets work differently well for different people: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0z03xkwFbw4

Most of our current long-term (>1 year long) studies about diets deal with the problem of "subjects not sticking to the diet" by just saying that X% of participants stopped the diet and then proceeding to analyze the health benefits for the Y% that stuck to it.

That's a fair thing to do, but what's not supported from those results is the conclusion that such a diet would have worked very well for the X% had they stuck to it.