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Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by NullPrefix »

nguoi wrote: post #496
mlindner wrote: post #494

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Any gas car converted to electric is universally terrible. They have to mount the batteries extremely high because the chassis wasn't built for the batteries and this results in utterly horrible handling because the center of mass is too high.

Handling doesn't matter in city commuting. People also seem happy to buy SUVs and crossovers which have much higher centres of mass than hatchbacks.

Handling of a SUV, usefulness of a hatchback. It's like the worst of both worlds.

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by MagnumOpus »

codeulike wrote: post #461
kerkeslager wrote: post #355

I want a well-put-together electric car that's completely analog from the user's perspective . There's not a single user-facing digital feature I've ever seen on a car that I wanted, and in fact most of them make things worse. Obviously there's some non-user-facing stuff, i.e. all-wheel-drive, which computerization has revolutionized. But any user-facing stuff is just awful. I want an electric car, but I don't want t…

Most electric cars like the Leaf and Niro EV have traditional analog controls for AC and most other features. The touchscreen is mostly used for Satnav and music/radio in those cars. And really can you imagine Satnav without a touchscreen keyboard?

> And really can you imagine Satnav without a touchscreen keyboard

If you've ever sat in a recent upscale European car, you can. Unlike touch-screen keyboard solutions, entering destinations via scroll-wheel keyboard (like BMW does) or via guided voice entry is easily and safely possible while driving.

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by moduspol »

herewego wrote: post #539
moduspol wrote: post #532

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Also just in: People who think you have to use the touchscreen to drive the car don't have a meaningful opinion about the car

Also also just in: You can not drive a Tesla without using the touchscreen on an almost constant basis. You have never owned a Tesla if you think this is not the case.

I've had a Model 3 for about a year, and it is absolutely not the case. You are ludicrously misinformed, but don't let that stop you from commenting.

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by Faark »

kwhitefoot wrote: post #530
clouddrover wrote: post #384

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No one else will adopt Tesla's standard. You're avoiding the question rather than answering it. CCS charging providers allow Teslas to charge on their networks today. When will Tesla reciprocate and convert to CCS?

The Model 3 in Europe uses CCS and many (perhaps most) of the stations here in Norway already have CCS connectors.

Unlikely because tesla wants to... they are forced to by gov. Kind of like the EU had to force phone manufacturers to switch to USB. Except tesla still seems to be resisting against the somewhat painful switch.

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by herewego »

kaiwen1 wrote: post #413

The depth and breadth of anti-Tesla sentiment in HN threads is curious. It's rarely from owners. By all satisfaction surveys, owners love their Teslas.

I’m a former owner of a top of the range Model S and I feel strongly that others should be well informed of Tesla’s deficiencies, of which there are many. Tesla fanboy-ism is a very real phenomenon. And although they’re model line is going in the right direction, they have a long way to go before they compete with the driver thoughtfulness of other vehicles in the same price range.

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by SECProto »

Too wrote: post #383
SECProto wrote: post #329

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> That's called a SAFE FOLLOWING DISTANCE. Hi. Safe following distance is the distance required to safely stop at whatever speed you are going. At a typical speed of 90km/hr (that's usually when this "feature" gets engaged - slowing me to 10km/hr under the limit because that's what someone in front of me is doing), the safe stopping distance is around 80-90 meters (perception+braking in good conditions). The shortest…

You are not going to get to your destination faster by staying closer to the car in front of you. You'll still be restricted to 90 minus 10 km/h. Not that this is even a problem in the fist place, I've used dozens of cars with ACC, no Toyota in particular though, and all of them allow adjusting within almost armreach close to a long 5sec gap. Put closer distance in heavy traffic to prevent lane jumping in front of yo…

Most of my cruise control driving is on very low traffic volume divided highways. With regular cruise control, if the distance to a car gets smaller, I know there is a speed differential and I can slow down or pass, as appropriate. With the adaptive cruise control, the system as decided for me that slowing down is the correct option, generally before I've gotten close to where I would normally pull out to pass. With the long follow distance and the very gentle deceleration, I generally don't realize the system has slowed me down. This would be good as long as slowing down is the decision I want, but my cruise is generally set at the speed limit and I'm slowed by someone driving slower when the conditions don't warrant.

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by herewego »

moduspol wrote: post #544
herewego wrote: post #539

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Also also just in: You can not drive a Tesla without using the touchscreen on an almost constant basis. You have never owned a Tesla if you think this is not the case.

I've had a Model 3 for about a year, and it is absolutely not the case. You are ludicrously misinformed, but don't let that stop you from commenting.

I’m not sure why you’re getting upset. I have owned a Model S for 3yrs, I have close friends with Model 3’s that I have driven on a regular basis, and this is a reality that we all agree on. I am most definitely not misinformed. Nearly every setting is controlled on the touchscreen interface. I’m not sure why you would claim that is not the case.

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by dual_basis »

drcross wrote: post #157
dual_basis wrote: post #143

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That's funny, I didn't realize Android Auto wouldn't work in a Tesla, and now I am very hesitant to buy one. It works perfectly on my wife's car, I can use whatever apps I want (eg. PocketCasts, Spotify, Plex) and the integration with the other aspects of the car is seamless. Teslas are just now getting Spotify?!?! That's exactly the sort of thing I would expect with an in-house system, and exactly why I would want t…

They are such bad reasons to rule out a car that you seem to have very little idea about.

Why?

I have a long commute, the only thing that makes it bearable is choosing the content I listen to. The app makes a difference here - PocketCasts and Spotify have features that others don't - so I do want to use their native interfaces. The apps I use in the car have great Android Auto interfaces which simplify content selection. Using Android Auto also integrates with the other features on the phone, such as phone calls, calendar reminders, "OK Google", and maps. This essentially defines my entire driving experience at the moment.

If Tesla's interface doesn't support an app that I want to use (eg. Spotify) then I would have to resort to using the phone over Bluetooth. I wouldn't just say "oh well, I spent $50k on this car but it doesn't support PocketCasts so I guess I'll listen to something else for the next hour" every day. This makes the big touchscreen rather useless, and is going to be more dangerous than my current car because I will be fiddling with the phone.

Maybe I'll just get a big suction cup and mount my phone right on top of the touchscreen, using Android Auto on the phone itself over Bluetooth.

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by otterley »

marvin wrote: post #526
epalm wrote: post #515

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Then they change the settings, and if they're a considerate human being, they change them back. If they're not, then you get to grumble a bit, change them back yourself, and consider not sharing your car with that person again. I don't think the world has lost anything substantial here. Just realized I might be a grumpy old man.

Maybe you always share your car with a partner that's 25 centimeters shorter than you, requiring different settings for seat & steering weel position, and also has a different body composition that makes them want different climate control settings. It shouldn't be so controversial to claim that automatic adjustment of settings is a net UX win this this common scenario.

This problem was solved over a decade ago with memorized seating positions tied to the key fob. It wouldn’t have been too much of a stretch (pun not intended!) to memorize and set the temperature alongside the other settings using the existing system.
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