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Re: Terminating Service for 8Chan

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Post by bmurphy1976 »

odessacubbage wrote: post #515
mort96 wrote: post #234

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Taking orders from gay people and hosting services for sites which support far-right terrorism aren't exactly the same though. We can be against suppressing gay people and for suppressing far-right terrorism even if the means by which the suppression happens is similar.

and what about the the communities for queers and autistics on 8ch that will be lost in order to cater to your particular sense of indignation while in effect doing virtually nothing to limit the ability of psychopathic losers to kill large numbers of people? as an aside assigning any credibility to the motives of crazy person with no value for human life makes no more sense in the case of mass killings than it does…

They have the choice to move elsewhere. Also 8chan can reshape itself to positively serve society if it chose to do so.

The fact that these communities chose to colocate themselves with other dispicable communities is unfortunate, but they've had plenty of time to move elsewhere. They have nobody but themselves to blame for building on a poor foundation.

The rest of your comment is tripe.

Re: Terminating Service for 8Chan

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Post by breakingcups »

sagichmal wrote: post #38
wbl wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cloudflare wasn't hosting them. NT technologies was, and still is.

Hosting is an inexact but entirely acceptable term of art for the services that are provided by a CDN.

Exactly. To the outside world, for all intents and purposes Cloudflare was their host. Cloudflare's IP addresses served 8chan's content, even held it on their local drives. I don't care (and neither should anyone else) that their primary source of truth was internally hosted elsewhere.

Cloudflare often tries to skirt definitions and would love to be seen as a neutral utility, a simple carrier. They're not though. 8chan was their customer. They hosted their DNS, served their content and potentially took their money (I don't know whether 8chan was on their free plan or not, but again that doesn't matter).

Re: Terminating Service for 8Chan

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Post by mLuby »

tomatotomato37 wrote: post #412
mLuby wrote: post #359

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>treat the authorities with contempt to the point of needing a search warrant Everyone must comply with lawful orders—that's the point of the law. Respect is not mandatory (so long as it doesn't interfere with lawful orders); it is earned and can be lost. If this were not true, the right to avoid self-incrimination would be meaningless.

The thing is that Moot (and probably Hiro too) actively intercepts and forwards mass-shooty type stuff it to the cops instead of waiting for a warrant to avoid this exact situation. Emphasis on intercept, you can't have a media shitstorm decrying you as the axis of evil if the only thing they can find on your site is mass speculation because a mod autosaged the shooter's manifesto 3 minutes after it was posted

Questions:

1. What is "autosaged"? UrbanDictionary was no help… ^__^;

2. By intercept do you mean "notice quickly" or "prevent from arriving/posting"?

Re: Terminating Service for 8Chan

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Post by cryptonector »

That a crazy person posts a screed somewhere then commits mass murder is not by itself sufficient reason to destroy the forum where they posted their screed. It's not remotely clear to me that 8chan glorified previous mass murders -- of course, I've not looked, but then, Cloudflare doesn't post any evidence of this either. But even 8chan they did, that's essentially what the media is doing every time they give wall-to-wall coverage to any mass murder -- future would be mass murderers may fantasize about being the one the news media talk about next. No one talks about de-platforming CNN. Before we deplatform the 8chans of the world, at the very least we should have some evidence of how they failed to moderate content, and we should give them a chance to fix it.

Re: Terminating Service for 8Chan

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Post by toomim »

muzani wrote: post #511
roywiggins wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cloudflare is a CDN. 8chan has free choice to pick another. It's not a common carrier or a public service in any way. It's just big, which isn't the same thing.

A CDN isn't necessary for a large website to keep running either.

It's necessary to protect against DDOS attacks. The CDN has privileged positioning in the network -- close to the consumer ISPs -- and can block incoming DDOS attacks directly before the traffic flows deeper.

Re: Terminating Service for 8Chan

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Post by cybersnowflake »

voidwtf wrote: post #535
cybersnowflake wrote: post #528

I love how everybody is having a cow over a website where the rhetoric isn't really all that much worse than a 'mainstream' site like twitter. For example in twitter you can find guys who call for children to be fed into wood chippers because they wear Maga hats and hundreds/thousands of people including corporate accounts like Burger King cheering assaulting people. And they almost all receive absolutely no punishme…

You can put together a pointed argument for freedom of expression being tainted, however your username and comment history paint the picture of someone who’s not exactly down with free expression and individuality. I always find it interesting to try to understand a persons viewpoint and put their comments in context of that viewpoint when I see comments like this. Sometimes That little look teaches me something abou…

I think I've been ideologically consistent but feel free to continue looking and post any examples where I'm against freedom of speech and individuality. *note when I say freedom of speech and expression I don't necessarily mean unreasonable forced accommodation and celebration and there is a bit of nuance in my opinions

IE I might draw a line between megacorp oligarchies making it virtually impossible to have an opinion heard and 1/1000000000000000000000000000x10^graham's number cake shops not necessarily wanting to bake a ssm cake

Re: Terminating Service for 8Chan

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Post by baybal2 »

blacklight86 wrote: post #525

What kind of free speech are we exactly advocating here? The freedom to spread cheap hate, fake news and bigotry against minorities? I'm sorry but moderating such offenses isn't a limitation to free speech. For the same reason why, if you start shouting nig or monkey to black people in a shopping mall, the police is likely to intervene and take you away - and I don't think that any sane person would argue that they'r…

Can you tell what country do you live in?

I live in China, a textbook totalitarian state.

What you say is awfully similar to what CPC puts as their justification of censorship.

The prevailing narrative among the "dotcom" community in the West, and what you have said wrote is very similar to their position.

Re: Terminating Service for 8Chan

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Post by DanBC »

cryptonector wrote: post #544

That a crazy person posts a screed somewhere then commits mass murder is not by itself sufficient reason to destroy the forum where they posted their screed. It's not remotely clear to me that 8chan glorified previous mass murders -- of course, I've not looked, but then, Cloudflare doesn't post any evidence of this either. But even 8chan they did, that's essentially what the media is doing every time they give wall-t…

What evidence do you have that they were "crazy"?

Most people who commit mass murders are not "crazy" - they don't have psychosis, they know what they're doing, they plan the attack.

Re: Terminating Service for 8Chan

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Post by edna314 »

FourScore wrote: post #444
Lazare wrote: post #15

On the one hand, I like the idea of a free, open, and distributed internet, where no one company or government has the power to control what is distributed or discussed. As the great John Gilmore said, more aspirationally than accurately even then: "The Net interprets censorship as damage and routes around it." On the other hand, we don't live in that world, and I don't know how well it would work in practice if we d…

So you're willing to give unchecked control of online discourse to a private corporation?

Do we really need to talk about closing down a site where people encourage each other to kill other people (no matter who does it)? Why is it so important that there are no exceptions to freedom of speech? Seriously, I just don’t get how the purity of the concept of freedom of speech can be so important that it beats common sense.

Re: Terminating Service for 8Chan

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Post by rlonn »

blacklight86 wrote: post #525

What kind of free speech are we exactly advocating here? The freedom to spread cheap hate, fake news and bigotry against minorities? I'm sorry but moderating such offenses isn't a limitation to free speech. For the same reason why, if you start shouting nig or monkey to black people in a shopping mall, the police is likely to intervene and take you away - and I don't think that any sane person would argue that they'r…

I'm sorry, but how can anyone say "what kind" of free speech...? Don't you see that labeling or discriminating between "free speech of type A, allowed" and "free speech of type B, disallowed" defeats the whole notion of "free"? Somehow people tend to think that their own discrimination isn't, while others is.
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