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Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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http://modern.ie Free Windows VirtualBox images you can use for testing!

Not sure if you are being sarcastic, but if testing on your browser means downloading a 4GB+ image every couple months and having it take up all my memory in a clunky VM and messing around with how it gets its IP and then trying to update itself with another multi-gigabyte windows update while I'm tethering and did I mention you have to redo it all every couple of months?... then I'm not testing against your browser.

> and messing around with how it gets its IP

Standard VirtualBox is either bridged or NAT, never had a problem there.

> and then trying to update itself with another multi-gigabyte windows update

Now THAT one is a real problem. MS to this day didn't bother to release a Service Pack 2 for W7.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Certainly WebKit on iOS, macOS, and watchOS is much more than 5% of active web users. There are over 2 billion iOS devices and every browser on iOS—Firefox, Chrome, Brave—uses WebKit.

not by choice

Even if iOS users had a real choice I suspect a lot of them wouldn’t bother changing the default browser.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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What other options do they have? Even on HN you hear "I use Egde to download Chrome". Many of you here don't test your own work in Edge. At the same time Microsoft is getting the heat that Windows 10 is unstable and the last major update shows that it is. Very urgently, I imagine, Microsoft is trying to change the perception of Windows 10 by doing everything they can to make it more stable. Changing the browser engin…

Actually, Microsoft's insistence that IE or Edge only run on Windows has been the main reason why I don't test either. You can get free virtual machines for testing, but it's still a slow, annoying and irritating experience to test in a Windows virtual machine. That and the fact that IE has always had terrible developer tools.

When you spin up an IE11 on Win 10 virtual machine to test something and windows decides to run updates. Ain't nobody got time for that man.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Will the homepage be Google... or Bing? There’s the question!

Do people still use that? On any browser I use, I change the settings so when I restart it, it will open whatever tabs I had last opened. I almost never get to see the browser's homepage.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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> In addition, Microsoft engineers were recently spotted committing code to the Chromium project to help get Google Chrome running on ARM.

Unless I'm completely misunderstanding something, Chromium already runs on ARM SoCs. Raspbian even ships with it as the default browser.

Also, as to Edge and stability, I don't use Windows 10 for any serious work anymore in light of the recent update gaffes[1], but Edge has been consistently stable and fast in my experience. In fact it's one of the better things about Windows 10; it can correctly render certain websites that Firefox/Waterfox struggles with, and it's as fast as or faster than Chromium across the board.

[1] Even running Windows 10 Pro and deferring updates, I had stability issues with the OS from day one. I had relegated it to just gaming and went back to macOS and Linux for serious work at home, but lately I've decided to stop putting so much time into games and focus on learning and music again. Therefore, I no longer use Windows 10 at all apart from IT duties at my job.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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No, I tell my friends and family to use Firefox. There is more than one decent browser out there. I don't like the idea of everything using the Chromium engine; monoculture _is_ bad and we shouldn't put our eggs in the one basket. That said, IE and Edge have historically been terrible both compatibility and performance-wise. It's not just websites that aren't tested in Edge - my experience with Edge is that all aspec…

It's not really better though - having only two real browsers is not good for open standards or the open web. This will be especially true when Firefox inevitably shutters it's in-house efforts in a couple of years due to the amount of sites that won't work with it , and starts using Chromium too. Staring into my crystal ball tells me Firefox will become "janky" in the eyes of users on account of how many sites don't…

> This will be especially true when Firefox inevitably shutters it's in-house efforts in a couple of years due to the amount of sites that won't work with it, and starts using Chromium too.

It seems very unlikely:

- Mozilla has been in a far worse uderdog position before during the IE6 era, with way more incompatible sites and less funding.

- Mozilla is not for profit. Fighting for the open Web is one of their goal. It always has been. They are not perfect, but their track record is damn good compared to almost any player of their size and impact in the tech world.

- Mozilla strongly invested in their own tech, including rewritting the browser rendering engine and taking huge risks such as create a bloody hole new language, rust, in the process. To my knowledge, the "oxydation" project has been a success so far, and rust is proving everyday that it's a positive force in the world as well.

- Firefox is the only decent mobile browser. I can't navigate the web without the ublock extension. I just can't.

- Mozilla keeps innovating. Their last brillant idea, the tab container, is worth switching on it's own.

- Mozilla has the hardcore geeks on their side. Even during the V30 to v50 transition period where Firefox was, at the time, clearly an inferior product, we kept using it to support it for the sheer ideal of it. We hoped it would come back from it, and it happened: Firefox is now a fast, lean and fantastic browser again.

- Privacy concerns are (FINALLY !) being taken in consideration from the crowd. And Chrome is terrible at this, so moving to a chromium core, while technically not related at all because you can set it up the way you like, would carry the stigma.

All in all, I'm incredibly optimistic about Mozilla et Firefox's future despite the market share taking a serious hit.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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(Disclaimer: I work at Microsoft.) This is a good move. Microsoft is further embracing open source technology. I really want to use Edge, I gave it so many tries, but every time I keep coming back to Chrome because Edge is just so damn unreliable. And Chrome is creepy as hell. And Firefox just... is slow and not smooth. A not-creepy web browser from Microsoft, with the same reliability and speed of Chrome? Sign me up…

My work laptop still runs Windows 7, so I have no experience with Edge; but Firefox feels a lot faster than Internet Explorer 11, even though it hogs memory like crazy.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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I hear this a lot, but I find Safari to be an entirely usable browser day-to-day - the reduction in power usage is very noticeable vs Firefox or Chrome.

More than usable. For the majority of users I'd say it is a better option, not as resource-hungry as Chrome or chromium based browsers.

And, while I'm not a hard-core JS programmer, I've found Safari's dev tools to be just as good as Firefox's or Chrome's.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Can’t believe web developers are willing to write-off over 2 billion Safari/WebKit users: https://appleinsider.com/articles/18/09/12/apple-achieves-mi... This ain’t your father’s Safari web browser: https://webkit.org/status/#?status=under%20consideration,in%... There’s a lot of stuff that’s already supported in the released Safari and lots more stuff in development and being considered.

most of that 2 billion is concentrated in the US and the wealthier european nation states. places with people who are educated enough to understand "this website works best on chrome" or "this browser is not supported" error messages. it's pretty easy to see where the wind is blowing i'm living in india right now and basic websites like dominoes ordering websites glitch out on safari/iphone prompting me to switch. co…

This just reinforces the idea that web developers are cowboys.
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