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Re: MacOS High Sierra

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Post by kartickv »

ksk wrote: post #363
kartickv wrote: post #264

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Does it collect personally-identifiable Information? Suppose, for sake of discussion, they collect something inoocuous, like whether you prefer to maximise windows. Say a single bit of information. True or false. Would you still be opposed to the telemetry? I’m trying to understand if the objection is about specific data being collected, or to the idea at all.

The problem is _not_ collecting telemetry on users is a business disadvantage, in todays world. Whether you're a webapp or an OS. I would be willing to send MS that information, but only as an opt-in.

Why do you feel that way? Do you feel tracking whether you prefer to maximise windows is a privacy violation? Or is the objection that your IP address is included when the telemetry is uploaded to Microsoft?

Re: MacOS High Sierra

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Post by thecodefoundry »

plopz wrote: post #234
pwdisswordfish wrote: post #231

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> And yet, microsoft started incorporating ads inside of windows 10. Using daily, only thing I've seen - notification about Edge (which came with the OS). what?

I've seen Office 365 ads in windows explorer

Yes, those were infuriating. Those can easily be disabled, though, via this method: http://www.thewindowsclub.com/turn-off-ads-notifications-exp...

Re: MacOS High Sierra

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Post by ethbro »

stouset wrote: post #522
komali2 wrote: post #473

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And the software can just put in the installer "click 'Yes' on any windows messages to install."

They don't even need to do this. Users will literally just click "Yes" to anything obstructing their path forward. http://i.imgur.com/H0uVqFe.jpg

I'm going to ask for a citation on that. Where is proof that average users will ignore reasonably worded security messages?

Because as far as I can remember (Windows back to 95, MacOS back to the 6100), we (ie computer science professionals) have never done what I would even call an "acceptable" job at attempting this.

And the argument, for 20+ years now, has always been "Har har, users are too dumb to read. We'll just abstract all those decisions away from them."

Stupid dialogs and lazy UX begat stupid users, not the other way around.

(E.g., for starters: https://ux.stackexchange.com/questions/756/what-are-some-alt... )

Re: MacOS High Sierra

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Post by jasomill »

vetinari wrote: post #492
hungerstrike wrote: post #476

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Incorrect. There are in fact three ways to completely disable it. You can get the Enterprise edition [0] or modify your registry configuration [1] or by a third party tool [2]. Even if you don't want to do any of those for some reason, reading about the Basic level of telemetry - it's nothing. At least it's nothing that I care about. [0] https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windowsforbusiness/try [1] https://winaero.com/b…

Enterprise edition is not available to non-volume accounts. I.e. not for home machines, not for small businesses. The registry edit is specifically not honored for non-enteprise SKUs.

I’m a single-person sole proprietorship, and I have two seats of Windows Enterprise with Software Assurance as part of an Open Business agreement; “volume” doesn’t imply “high-volume”.

Bringing this back to the the story, one is assigned to a Mac Pro, where, per Microsoft’s bizarre licensing terms, it qualifies as an “upgrade” to the bundled copy of OS X (upon which I run it under VMware, permissible via further licensing gyrations).

Re: MacOS High Sierra

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Post by kemayo »

mcv wrote: post #453
kemayo wrote: post #416

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To be fair, if you're on a laptop or are just regularly using full-screen apps, top-right notifications are going to cover a chunk of your screen which you might be using. Of course, so would notifications absolutely-anywhere in that situation.

I've got a tiny corner to the left or right of my dock that they're free to use.

Good point. I have my Dock hidden, so I tend to forget most people will have that space available. :D

Re: MacOS High Sierra

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Post by burnte »

fred256 wrote: post #290
messe wrote: post #113

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I have `jk` mapped to ESC in spacemacs, zsh and anything else I can set up to use vi keybindings. `jk` is essentially a no-op in vi, so rebinding it doesn't cause any issues while carrying the advantage that my fingers never have to leave the home row.

Out of curiosity, how do you type "Dijkstra" in that case?

I loved his solution until this. This is a deal breaker. Time to go back to the abbacus. ;)

Re: MacOS High Sierra

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Post by stutnh34tnnt »

manigandham wrote: post #482
raesene6 wrote: post #126

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I agree, the good thing about Apple and Microsoft is I know what they want to sell me. Apple want me to buy relatively expensive devices on a regular basis and ideally a cloud subscription. Microsoft want me to buy subscriptions to their cloud services and ideally devices running their OS. In both cases the value for them is fairly clear and they have limited incentives to do anything that might jepordise those reven…

> Personally I prefer to pay someone for a product/service directly. Sure, but the vast majority of users do not want to pay for the vast majority of internet content.

It sounds to me like you're saying that the vast majority of internet content isn't valuable. (And I agree!)

Re: MacOS High Sierra

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Post by lozenge »

komali2 wrote: post #475
roblabla wrote: post #134

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And yet, microsoft started incorporating ads inside of windows 10. The business models helps, but if you can both sell a product and get ad revenue, why wouldn't you ? In apple's case, they have a fairly small but dedicated marketshare that cares deeply about those issue. That's why I trust them to not sabotage their product. Microsoft has a monopoly, they don't need to care.

Really ugly ads, too. There's just like 2 or three random cut-off strings of text randomly sprinkled around my login screen on my SP3, with little searchglass icons next to them. They're always totally incoherent and I'm not even sure how I would interact with them if I wanted to (clicking does nothing).

I think those are information about where the login screen photo is taken.

Re: MacOS High Sierra

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Post by acomjean »

deong wrote: post #305
tomsmeding wrote: post #255

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Which notifications are you talking about? I have no such experience using Sierra.

"Hey, have you tried Safari? It's pretty great. Why don't you give it a try?" "Umm, hey there...me again. You still haven't tried Safari? What's wrong? Want me to launch it for you?" "Ok, this is getting a little awkward. We worked pretty hard making Safari, and you won't even try it? I'm trying to not be insulted here, but you're not making it easy." "Listen motherfucker. You know that Keychain thing that you don't…

My favorite is the, "a keynote upgrade is available" on each launch. Only to find out after clicking its "only after you update your OS!" (I'm was on mavericks)

And the "please use iCloud..."

On cars we used to call them "guilt buttons" for plastic shaped like buttons on the dashboard for options you didn't purchase.

Re: MacOS High Sierra

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Post by stutnh34tnnt »

tapanjk wrote: post #365
tomp wrote: post #103

> Safari now uses machine learning to identify advertisers and others who track your online behavior, and removes the cross‑site tracking data they leave behind. > Safari now uses machine learning to identify advertisers and others who track your online behavior, and removes the cross‑site tracking data they leave behind I'm starting to like the business model of buying the product more and more. There was a recent t…

From High Sierra page on apple.com: > Automatically use Safari Reader for every web article that supports it, so you can view websites without ads, navigation, and other distractions. This will come in handy since I hit the reader mode on articles as soon as the page loads and the reader option is enabled. On a side note, I like Firefox too because it has a reader mode built in. While Chrome has plugins to make this…

Yes! When I saw this, I leapt for joy! I have been wanting a feature like this. No more having to see modal pop-overs asking me to subscribe their crappy newsletter. It's about time!
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