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Re: Outraged about the Google diversity memo?

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Post by Joeri »

matwood wrote: post #486
Joeri wrote: post #424

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sure you're trolling, but... Her credentials worked against her. She was as establishment as you can be, with no perspective on any major change from the viewpoint of the average person, just continuing on down the existing path. The reason Trump got elected is the same reason Obama got elected, and it is the same reason Bush Jr. got elected, and Clinton before him: people want change.

I think you're underestimating the damage the DNC did when they screwed over Sanders. A lot of the traditional democrats I know simply refused to vote after that. Sanders also offered the change you're talking about.

I'm actually pretty sure Sanders would have won against Trump, provided he got the necessary funding. I think he was too unpalatable for the money men and that's why the DNC swatted him down.

Re: Outraged about the Google diversity memo?

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Post by mikeash »

Const-me wrote: post #113

IMO the best comment from there: Giulio Prisco said... The results of this incident are easy to predict. Now everyone at Google (and everyone in large tech companies, and everyone in academy) knows that they can be fired for expressing opinions that dissent from the party line. Of course they'll shut up for fear of losing their job and the means to support their family. But they won't change their position. If anythi…

It's weird how many people are eager to blame the left for Trump. Can we not blame the people who actually voted for him? They weren't forced to choose the asshole con-man to be our leader. And this is the "party of personal responsibility."

Re: Outraged about the Google diversity memo?

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Post by aamar »

l33tbro wrote: post #12

Okay, slipping into my bomb-squad EOD suit to comment on this topic. But, seriously, the more I read about Damore, the more it seems like this was a cunning plan to get fired and then sue the roller-hockey pants off Sergey Brin and Co. While much has been made of a Harvard education being no substitute for social intelligence, Damore is no slouch and really does just seem like a disgruntled employee who devised an al…

Doesn't work because there is no "compensated for life" outcome here. He can get a few months of lost pay, likely minus his attorney's fees. That may still be meaningful, but I doubt it's 'retirement money'.

http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/damages-wrongful-term...

Re: Outraged about the Google diversity memo?

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Post by KirinDave »

ramblerman wrote: post #173
KirinDave wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's mysterious to me how literally every action a feminist takes is somehow directly responsibile for all problems that befall them, with every action that might possibly hurt a man being somehow a catastrophe in the making. Not 3 weeks ago we had a thread here where a woman spoke up about harassment and people said it was exactly the wrong thing. Mad someone for touching your bum? Speak up. You spoke up? Now you're…

He didn't say it the fault of feminists, only that this was probably going to be the result. And It's exactly why public debate should be had. To come to a better solution in the middle, rather than create fringes on the sides. Your reaction here is just more of the 'Shock and Awe' and hurt feelings that doesn't really help push the agenda.

> He didn't say it the fault of feminists, only that this was probably going to be the result.

So what we all should do is forgive these men their outrageously outdated and somewhat dehumanizing viewpoints and calmly explain to them that currently they are benefitting from a system called patriarchy that has normalized male dominance. We should then calmly suggest that btw, people who are not visually and immediately white suffer a lot under this system too. And I know he benefits but could he please stop?

These folks already hold radical views. He wasn't "radicalized" by being forced to own it. He isn't forced to "vote Trump" because his views are known. He already had them, and they're for the most part outdated, impropable or insulting already.

Why then is the right decision to give him a pass on violating corporate HR policy?

Re: Outraged about the Google diversity memo?

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Post by losteverything »

Let me present a walmart associate opinion on the person that was fired.

Tldr - sometimes really smart people do the dumbest things. Where was his common sense?

For the average associate i know the overarching Question would be did he not know he could be fired?

"I would have loved to go to college. I couldn't afford it. Id love to have a job at Google. He probably makes over one hundred thousand dollars. All those years spent in college to get a good job and to then lose it. Didn't he think saying something bad about your employer can get you fired? I cant go on Facebook and write sh#! about walmart and not expect to get fired or at least reprimanded. I just dont understand how people who are supposed to be so smart can be so dumb."

-- I am fortunate to have straddled upper and lower classes in my life. I learn new things working with adults who have never known a family member who attended college. Managers who never flew in a plane. The ground level view of living where you work to get by. The joy of life (imo, more joy with less wealth)

I have no outrage personally.

Re: Outraged about the Google diversity memo?

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Post by grdvnkootcvj »

matwood wrote: post #486
Joeri wrote: post #424

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sure you're trolling, but... Her credentials worked against her. She was as establishment as you can be, with no perspective on any major change from the viewpoint of the average person, just continuing on down the existing path. The reason Trump got elected is the same reason Obama got elected, and it is the same reason Bush Jr. got elected, and Clinton before him: people want change.

I think you're underestimating the damage the DNC did when they screwed over Sanders. A lot of the traditional democrats I know simply refused to vote after that. Sanders also offered the change you're talking about.

yes, change towards socialism that would have lost in a landslide

Re: Outraged about the Google diversity memo?

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Post by grdvnkootcvj »

matwood wrote: post #486
Joeri wrote: post #424

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sure you're trolling, but... Her credentials worked against her. She was as establishment as you can be, with no perspective on any major change from the viewpoint of the average person, just continuing on down the existing path. The reason Trump got elected is the same reason Obama got elected, and it is the same reason Bush Jr. got elected, and Clinton before him: people want change.

I think you're underestimating the damage the DNC did when they screwed over Sanders. A lot of the traditional democrats I know simply refused to vote after that. Sanders also offered the change you're talking about.

yes, change towards socialism that would have lost in a landslide

Re: Outraged about the Google diversity memo?

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Post by kaden »

Karunamon wrote: post #529
tchaffee wrote: post #464

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> that means that it's a topic that needs to be discussed instead of being censored and the author fired. Here is what CEO said on the about it in his response [1]: "many points raised in the memo—such as the portions criticizing Google’s trainings, questioning the role of ideology in the workplace, and debating whether programs for women and underserved groups are sufficiently open to all—are important topics. The a…

Then perhaps google should not solicit opinions on the matter, as they did in this case?

They didn't solicit opinions on the matter, don't be dishonest.

Re: Outraged about the Google diversity memo?

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Post by ZeroGravitas »

kentrado wrote: post #144
KirinDave wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's mysterious to me how literally every action a feminist takes is somehow directly responsibile for all problems that befall them, with every action that might possibly hurt a man being somehow a catastrophe in the making. Not 3 weeks ago we had a thread here where a woman spoke up about harassment and people said it was exactly the wrong thing. Mad someone for touching your bum? Speak up. You spoke up? Now you're…

>Mad at someone for saying you're genetically predisposed to be less capable of individual action? He never said that. Could you cite the portion where he literally says women are less capable?

Do the last two bullet points of his tl;dr count?:

* Differences in distributions of traits between men and women may in part explain why we don’t have 50% representation of women in tech and leadership.

* Discrimination to reach equal representation is [...] bad for business.

Which I read as, "woman aren't as good, that's why they don't already work here, if we hire more of them, they'll not be able to do the job as well as men so the business will suffer"

Is that an unreasonable reading?

Re: Outraged about the Google diversity memo?

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Post by rpiguy »

coldtea wrote: post #253
_b8r0 wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I made the grave mistake of trying to express that point on Twitter. Twitter seems to be a poor vehicle for nuanced debate at the best of time, but it's a dumpster fire right now full of raging people who don't understand what you've just said. I was in SV last year for a couple of months during the election, and everyone I met were all paid up members of the church of political correctness up front, but when you spo…

> I made the grave mistake of trying to express that point on Twitter. Twitter seems to be a poor vehicle for nuanced debate at the best of time, but it's a dumpster fire right now full of raging people who don't understand what you've just said. It's worse. They don't care for what you've said, and they don't particularly care about the issues they talk about either. Some (media people, etc.) use the issues to have…

Extreme leftism is literally a religion, so much so that you can't even present scientific evidence that is contrary to their decided narrative.

Born Again/Woke

Transgression/Microagression

Heresy/Dissent

Sinner/(Racist, Misogynist, Bigot, Sexist)

EDIT: Original Sin/(Privilege, Unconscious Bias)

They even follow the same behavior pattern. First they declare you a Sinner. If you've done research they question the motive of your research and claim it is invalid, regardless of its content. Like the Church burning those who tried to prove the Earth wasn't flat or the center of the solar system, when presented with evidence the extreme left says, "Heresy!"

Then they want to be protected from the sinners. The sinners make them feel unsafe. They have to be taken care of.

Seriously I thought humanity got past all this religious nonsense.

We have strides to make in better treatment of women and minorities, but adopting this kind of religious attitude is ridiculous and not the way forward.

Thank God that the US is a place where for whatever reason people inherently seem to not like following the rules.

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