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Re: The Mac Pro Lives

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Post by pkamb »

ynniv wrote: post #65

a pro machine that demanded placement on your desk, not under your desk ... and that's how Apple lost the professionals. The desk is a clean space for a huge monitor / keyboard / mouse, and MY work. It's good to make a workstation that looks nice, but it's ten times as good to make one that's flexible and powerful. The only people who want that workstation on the desktop are the designers at Apple, and stroking your…

A machine the size of the trashcan Mac Pro would be awesome as an upgradable Mac Mini type device. i7, internal drive bays, RAM slots. I'd love a desktop sculpture like the Trashcan, but not with the useless dual GPUs and thermal design and everything.

Re: The Mac Pro Lives

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Post by draw_down »

csomar wrote: post #178

Am I the only one that sees OS X as the biggest reason to switch to Mac? I mean Windows is good, but nowhere good as OS X. And please, don't tell me Ubuntu or other linux flavors. They look good (and are good if you are programming on them) but the UX is still lacking a lot. (Never mind the confusion of the different flavors, packaging systems, and configurations). Also god forbid you have a problem (especially a har…

OS X (sorry MacOS) has problems, but dear god as soon as I try to use Windows or something else, I'm reminded how good the Mac is. The last 3 or so major revisions haven't offered much of anything I personally care about, though.

Re: The Mac Pro Lives

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Post by blacksmith_tb »

JustSomeNobody wrote: post #176

> What struck me about this is that Apple was framing a discussion in which the big news — the whole point, really — was their pre-announcing a “completely rethought” next-generation Mac Pro by emphasizing that most of their pro users use MacBooks and most of the rest use iMacs — and that they have big plans in store for the pro segment of both of those product lines. It’s exactly what I would have expected Apple to…

The current Pro can be configured to cost a cool $7,200. I am sure the 'completely rethought' model won't be cheap, but I wouldn't expect it to cost much more than the current line. Which is still too much for most of us to buy for home use (I am running a 2010 Pro with a hex-core Xeon, raided SSDs and an nVidia 750 Ti which cost me about $1K to put together, and it benchmarks evenly with the current Pro), but the market for the Pro has tended to be institutions, or audio / video / photo professionals who could write off the purchase or charge it to their clients.

Re: The Mac Pro Lives

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Post by manigandham »

csomar wrote: post #178

Am I the only one that sees OS X as the biggest reason to switch to Mac? I mean Windows is good, but nowhere good as OS X. And please, don't tell me Ubuntu or other linux flavors. They look good (and are good if you are programming on them) but the UX is still lacking a lot. (Never mind the confusion of the different flavors, packaging systems, and configurations). Also god forbid you have a problem (especially a har…

I vastly prefer Windows. But use a Macbook Pro which is still the best Windows laptop because of the build quality, performance and features.

Re: The Mac Pro Lives

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Post by abecedarius »

AsyncAwait wrote: post #475
csomar wrote: post #178

Am I the only one that sees OS X as the biggest reason to switch to Mac? I mean Windows is good, but nowhere good as OS X. And please, don't tell me Ubuntu or other linux flavors. They look good (and are good if you are programming on them) but the UX is still lacking a lot. (Never mind the confusion of the different flavors, packaging systems, and configurations). Also god forbid you have a problem (especially a har…

I am commenting as someone who uses both Linux, (at home) and a MBP, (at work) on a daily basis: > And please, don't tell me Ubuntu or other linux flavors. They look good (and are good if you are programming on them) but the UX is still lacking a lot. There certainly are some specific areas, like 4K support, which are still being worked on, (and is in fact worse on Windows), but other than that, I cannot see what mac…

Once Linux is set up without hardware compatibility issues, it's substantially better than OS X for programming, in my experience: the software Just Works more, compared to brew or whatever. I know that's ironic, but I've used both of them over years. I'm sure other people have contrasting experiences in some other sub-ecosystem of software development.

Re: The Mac Pro Lives

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Post by AsyncAwait »

TwoNineA wrote: post #146
jlgaddis wrote: post #5

For me -- and, I suspect, many others -- this is too little too late. Just a few months ago, I spent somewhere around $4500 (all-in) putting together a new workstation. It runs Linux instead of OS X and this has led to me using my (4-year-old) ThinkPad more than my (18-month-old) MacBook Pro (when I'm "on the go"). I actually plan on selling the MBP; I just haven't gotten around to it yet. I'm sure this is great news…

Same for me. Built my first PC in ages, 8 core Ryzen, 32 Gigs of RAM, NVME SSD, 1060 GTX, all below 2000$. Running Ubuntu on it for now, works very well.

> 8 core Ryzen

Neat, I hope AMD sells a lot of these chips to get back on its feet.

Re: The Mac Pro Lives

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Post by Macha »

nottorp wrote: post #319
m_mueller wrote: post #290

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Specifically: * HiDPI support in all apps, whethere they are aware of it or not. * Built-in PDF editing and creation from all printable content. * POSIX scripting and CLI. * Very clean and consistent configuration system (defaults). Reset an app to factory? Delete one plist file and potentially an app support folder. Got a new Mac? You could even boot it up from the old harddisk. Good luck doing that with windows reg…

* Touchpad support. I think most people who haven't used an Apple laptop extensively are not aware that the touchpad actually works, and you do not need to carry an external mouse to use the device comfortably.

I have had a work Mac for the last two years. I haven't found Apple touchpads to be this revolutionary change that'd make me like touchpads that others have and still carry a wireless mouse around. I'm not the only one in my office.

Re: The Mac Pro Lives

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Post by draw_down »

intoverflow2 wrote: post #118
IBM wrote: post #57

>Mac sales were up in 2016, once again outpacing the PC industry as a whole, and the new MacBook Pros are a hit, with sales up “about 20 percent” year over year. Brutal to all the MBP hot takes from this fall. Here's a good running list of them. https://mjtsai.com/blog/2016/10/27/new-macbook-pros-and-the-...

>Brutal to all the MBP hot takes from this fall. Not really, what are people supposed to do? Move their entire ecosystem to Windows? Just because it sells doesn't mean it's a great product. Balmer's reign is testament to that so I'm getting pretty tired of (non-shareholder) people pointing at spreadsheet numbers to justify Tim Cook doing a good job.

But the whole point of a lot of the reaction pieces was that it was bad enough to finally shove developers off it and onto... whatever non-Apple laptop. (I don't really know much about PCs these days)

Re: The Mac Pro Lives

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Post by dolguldur »

This is excellent news. Even if you don't end up using one, I think it's motivating if a powerful upgradable Mac Pro exists. Something to aspire to.

Depending on your area you might at some point have to do lengthy computations or you start working with deep neural nets and then want to have Nvidia hardware.

I think it's great if you can stay on your favorite platform and have everything on one system.

Also: continuous integration for iOS. If these machines will be reasonably priced it will result in faster test build times for many engineers out there.

So I'm very happy about this unexpected announcement.

Re: The Mac Pro Lives

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Post by officelineback »

michelb wrote: post #466
VelNZ wrote: post #229

Wow, what a torrent of negativity on this thread, I didn't see a single positive comment reading through the top level. This is excellent news, I'm chugging along on a 2010 Mac Pro and was very disappointed when the Apple Displays were cancelled last year. They are a staple of the lineup and always look gorgeous compared to what's on the market. I will definitely be buying the new Mac Pro and 2 displays to go with it…

Excellent news indeed. I was well underway of compiling a hackintosh components list, dreading building a possibly less stable system. I'm really curious at what price points these new macs are going to end up, and if multiple cpu/gpu vendors are supported. (nVidia/AMD)

I remember building a hackintosh about 6 years ago, has much changed since then? It was a lot of fun and a lot more challenging than a regular Windows PC build.
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