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Re: A Visa for founders, engineers and investors willing to join France

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Post by erowtom »

jfbus wrote: post #536
erowtom wrote: post #510

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Update : Thanks for the feedbacks ! 1st update: Included mobile phone + Internet 2nd update: Huge update, completly forgot about one tax on the salary.. ----------------------- I'm French, I can give you some more details. I'm a full stack Ruby Developer, and I work at https://www.talent.io , the first recruitment platform for developers in Europe. (If you're looking to relocate in Paris, London or Berlin, you know w…

Don't forget to include internet/mobile access prices : * 30€/mo unlimited fiber internet access (TV, unlimited calls included) * 20€/mo mobile (4G, 50GB data, unlimited calls/SMS)

You're right, I forgot to talk about that, updating. Thanks !

Re: A Visa for founders, engineers and investors willing to join France

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Joky wrote: post #535
erowtom wrote: post #510

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Update : Thanks for the feedbacks ! 1st update: Included mobile phone + Internet 2nd update: Huge update, completly forgot about one tax on the salary.. ----------------------- I'm French, I can give you some more details. I'm a full stack Ruby Developer, and I work at https://www.talent.io , the first recruitment platform for developers in Europe. (If you're looking to relocate in Paris, London or Berlin, you know w…

> My raw income last year was appx 45K euros. I paid appx 5K to the state in taxes, only for the salary. Employee Taxes on the "Raw" salary are approx ~23% usually, that does not match your 5k. Are you talking about the yearly "income taxes"? But then your 45K were not "raw" in the French sense?

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Re: A Visa for founders, engineers and investors willing to join France

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Post by erowtom »

tostaki wrote: post #534
erowtom wrote: post #510

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Update : Thanks for the feedbacks ! 1st update: Included mobile phone + Internet 2nd update: Huge update, completly forgot about one tax on the salary.. ----------------------- I'm French, I can give you some more details. I'm a full stack Ruby Developer, and I work at https://www.talent.io , the first recruitment platform for developers in Europe. (If you're looking to relocate in Paris, London or Berlin, you know w…

Theses are solid and realistic information about the cost of living in Paris.

Thanks for the feedback :).

Re: A Visa for founders, engineers and investors willing to join France

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Post by Joky »

rfrey wrote: post #213
jjawssd wrote: post #187

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That sounds like double or triple the amount of tax Americans in a similar role have to pay at home

That works out to 37.5% tax. I paid considerably more than that working in California when you include health insurance.

Did you miss the fact that he added "you have to pay 1 or 2 months in income taxes" at the end?

Re: A Visa for founders, engineers and investors willing to join France

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Post by sctb »

MAGAanon wrote: post #496

FWIW, the US has Trump as President and he's about to Make America Great Again. So... all this debt/gdp ratio talk is just nonsense.

We've banned this troll account and detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13413164.

Re: A Visa for founders, engineers and investors willing to join France

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Post by Joky »

fra wrote: post #362
bru wrote: post #320

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> The education system you're referring to is not free at all. The very substantial income taxes in France pay for it. That's like my whole point… You'll effectively get less money than in the US, but you're subsidising a fraternal economy which you enjoy too.

adventured: what you're missing here is that having other people get free education and healthcare is a benefit to you . Lots of evidence to support that, delightfully summarized in "The Spirit Level" by Wilkinson and Pickett, among others.

I believe education is "free" till the end of high-school in the US the same way it is in France, the difference starts with College/University. (France has a really nice pre-K system though!)

Re: A Visa for founders, engineers and investors willing to join France

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Post by ekianjo »

tostaki wrote: post #522
briandear wrote: post #484

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$130k in the US with paid health insurance, 2-4 weeks of vacation and dramatically lower taxes, vs. $50k in France with more 'benefits' and higher taxes.. Are those extra benefits worth $80k per year? Social charges really crush the ability for French companies to compete. Then with CDIs making it almost impossible to fire anyone, it results in a far less liquid job market. Now there's even talk of actually forcing m…

As a French living in Paris and having created a company before I'm sorry but some of your points are simply not true and/or not relevant. > $130k in the US [...] vs. $50k Just no, a $130k salary in the US would be at least 70k€ in Paris. In others city it would probably be less but the cost of living would be much less too. > there's even talk of actually forcing men to take paternity leave Just because one organiza…

tokyo has way better access to public transport than Paris. And better quality transport too. Again chauvinism coming out whenever anything is mentioned about France. Paris n est pas le nombril du monde.

Re: A Visa for founders, engineers and investors willing to join France

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Post by catwell »

dannylandau wrote: post #471

Is there a list of the top French start-ups? I'm assuming the Withings would be one near the top.

Off the top of my head, large-ish French tech software companies (I would not call them startups at this point) include: Criteo, Dailymotion, Leboncoin, Withings, Parrot, BlaBlaCar, Sigfox... You could also include older companies like Murex or Ubisoft, as well as OVH. You may also want to look at other fields where France is recognized for its expertise (energy, pharmaceuticals...).

Re: A Visa for founders, engineers and investors willing to join France

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Post by glandium »

briandear wrote: post #484
renaudg wrote: post #425

Regarding French salaries again : yes they are lower than elsewhere but with some exceptions, French employers are not the problem : they do pay the same price for you as in other European countries, more or less ! The difference is that your average engineer in France costs them around 1.5-2.5 times the total take home pay, because of high, compulsory labor taxes. In exchange, employees get as standard : * a top not…

$130k in the US with paid health insurance, 2-4 weeks of vacation and dramatically lower taxes, vs. $50k in France with more 'benefits' and higher taxes.. Are those extra benefits worth $80k per year? Social charges really crush the ability for French companies to compete. Then with CDIs making it almost impossible to fire anyone, it results in a far less liquid job market. Now there's even talk of actually forcing m…

> Then with CDIs making it almost impossible to fire anyone

This myth has to stop. It's almost impossible to fire anyone on the spot. You can't tell them "go home, and I don't want to hear from you again". You have to give them up to 3 months notice (depending on the contract, for engineers, it's going to be 3 months).

But you can still have them go home and never come back, as long as those 3 months are paid.

Edit: BTW, it works both ways. You can't quit on a whim either. You need to give the same amount of notice.

Re: A Visa for founders, engineers and investors willing to join France

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Post by joss82 »

omio wrote: post #539
jfbus wrote: post #536

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Don't forget to include internet/mobile access prices : * 30€/mo unlimited fiber internet access (TV, unlimited calls included) * 20€/mo mobile (4G, 50GB data, unlimited calls/SMS)

Which provider has those prices?

Free. They are the best. They even offer free roaming in most of Europe!

http://www.free.fr

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