Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf] • Hacker News Board

Re: Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf]

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Post by dbz » Thu, Nov 10, 2016, 1:27 AM UTC

triangleman wrote: post #381

manicdee wrote: post #369

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Simple thermodynamics. We get energy from coal by burning it then extracting some of the heat. The waste products are basically carbon dioxide and heat. Clean coal is about capturing that carbon dioxide, which means spending energy to separate the CO2 from other gasses, then liquefy it. This sequestration process costs about 30% of the energy originally extracted from the coal. I fully support clean coal since it inc…

'clean coal' can also mean coal burned without harmful particulates/elements entering the atmosphere. CO2 is not really a 'dirty' emission.

C02 is one of the worst 'dirty' emissions (methane is worse), and C02 is the most important gas for controlling the earth's temperature - http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/CarbonCycle/page5....

"The current episode of global warming is attributed to increasing emissions of CO2 and other greenhouse gases into Earth's atmosphere. " - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_dioxide_in_Earth%27s_at...

Also in the first few lines of wikipedia you will see that C02 is only 0.04% of the atmosphere. This small percentage has huge effects.

Re: Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf]

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Post by sean_patel » Thu, Nov 10, 2016, 1:27 AM UTC

meritt wrote: post #521

Today, Trump appointed Myron Ebell (a massive climate change denier) to head up the EPA. We're so utterly and completely fucked.

Florida is 1 of the 1st States to be severely affected by rising sea water levels from Climate change, and they just voted this guy into Office. Wow!

Re: Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf]

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Post by linkregister » Thu, Nov 10, 2016, 1:27 AM UTC

pmarreck wrote: post #195

ainot wrote: post #168

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> The Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias in which low-ability individuals suffer from illusory superiority High brow smack (condescension) like that and "basket of deplorables" are what America revolted against. If the liberal left was truly smart, why did they allow the president to run up more national debt than all presidents prior...combined?

Has it become that radical to suggest that smart, well-educated people may in fact see further into the consequences of things (particularly in their areas of expertise, but probably also peripherally), see more cognitive bias, have better critical-thinking skills, remember more mistakes from history, and all around make better long-term decisions? Why is that even offensive to anyone? Just because of someone's perso…

The notion that a college education bestows upon the recipient liberal viewpoints is absolute rubbish. Various universities have different rates of liberalism/conservatism; major programs within universities also have great disparities.

This also fails to address the survivor's bias that perhaps those who actually can enter college may already be predisposed to liberalism due to locality and family circumstances.

To abuse the old HN gripe, correlation doesn't imply causation.

Re: Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf]

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Post by foxylad » Thu, Nov 10, 2016, 1:28 AM UTC

derekdahmer wrote: post #501

toomuchtodo wrote: post #281

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Put out of work coal miners on social security early at their full benefit and fund it with a carbon tax. This doesn't even need to be a carbon tax; simply a transfer from the general fund. The average coal miner salary is ~$22/hr, or ~$42k/year. 174,000 coal workers in the US @ $31,668k/year (the max SS benefit permitted) = $5.5 billion/year. This is not expensive, nor in perpetuity, only the years from now until th…

This attitude is why democrats have so much trouble understanding why republicans have so much support from working class voters. People don't want to go on welfare, they want a job. It's about identity. Free money can keep you fed but it can't give you a sense of pride and self worth.

Not sure about the politics, but yes. And as someone commented below, we're going to have to find socially useful jobs for another swath of blue-collar men soon, when all the trucks go automonomous. This is a BIG problem - any ideas?

Re: Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf]

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Nov 10, 2016, 1:29 AM UTC

sean_patel wrote: post #542

meritt wrote: post #521

Today, Trump appointed Myron Ebell (a massive climate change denier) to head up the EPA. We're so utterly and completely fucked.

Florida is 1 of the 1st States to be severely affected by rising sea water levels from Climate change, and they just voted this guy into Office. Wow!

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Re: Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf]

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Post by adamiscool8 » Thu, Nov 10, 2016, 1:29 AM UTC

Johnny555 wrote: post #466

manicdee wrote: post #369

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Simple thermodynamics. We get energy from coal by burning it then extracting some of the heat. The waste products are basically carbon dioxide and heat. Clean coal is about capturing that carbon dioxide, which means spending energy to separate the CO2 from other gasses, then liquefy it. This sequestration process costs about 30% of the energy originally extracted from the coal. I fully support clean coal since it inc…

While capturing and liquifying the CO2 may prevent immediate release into the atmosphere, you still have to do something with it. Where would you sequester a billion gallons of liquified CO2 each year?

Isn't liquid CO2 used as a coolant? Sounds like we have our global warming solution.

Re: Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf]

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Post by ch4s3 » Thu, Nov 10, 2016, 1:30 AM UTC

derekdahmer wrote: post #501

toomuchtodo wrote: post #281

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Put out of work coal miners on social security early at their full benefit and fund it with a carbon tax. This doesn't even need to be a carbon tax; simply a transfer from the general fund. The average coal miner salary is ~$22/hr, or ~$42k/year. 174,000 coal workers in the US @ $31,668k/year (the max SS benefit permitted) = $5.5 billion/year. This is not expensive, nor in perpetuity, only the years from now until th…

This attitude is why democrats have so much trouble understanding why republicans have so much support from working class voters. People don't want to go on welfare, they want a job. It's about identity. Free money can keep you fed but it can't give you a sense of pride and self worth.

Then give them jobs in the parks service, pay them to clean up old mine sites, pay them to plant trees, pay them to install fiber optics lines, or anything.

Re: Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf]

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Post by necessity » Thu, Nov 10, 2016, 1:30 AM UTC

knowaveragejoe wrote: post #43

Some of this sounds great - term limits on congress, a measure to reduce the revolving door effect of government officials going into lobbying. Some of it sounds ridiculous - for every new federal regulation, 2 existing regulations must be eliminated. How is that considered feasible by any rational person? It might sound great if you don't think too hard about it. The scariest things for me are the backing out of cli…

>How is that considered feasible by any rational person? It might sound great if you don't think too hard about it.

Very "rational" non-arguments. You must have thought hard about it to come up with those.

Re: Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf]

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Post by inostia » Thu, Nov 10, 2016, 1:31 AM UTC

How did I not see this before the election (even if it came out 102316 as evidenced in the file name)? Why did NYT/Guardian/all of the news sites that I regularly visit not report this?

This is a clear policy proposal, contrary to everything I had read that said he had no clear plan.

Re: Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf]

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Post by ch4s3 » Thu, Nov 10, 2016, 1:33 AM UTC

owyn wrote: post #241

skywhopper wrote: post #172

"THIRD, cancel all federal funding to sanctuary cities." Is this explained anywhere?

A sanctuary city is one that obstructs (directly or indirectly) the enforcement of federal immigration laws. http://www.apsanlaw.com/law-246.List-of-Sanctuary-cities.htm... Since this list is most of your bigger more liberal cities (LA, SF, NYC), I do wonder what it means to cut off all federal funding to those cities.

Basically the federal government says "Round these people up, an oh by the way do it on your own dime." These cities basically say no, we're not going to pay for that.