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Re: This Is Not a Day Care. It’s a University

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Post by Nadya » Tue, Dec 01, 2015, 5:57 PM UTC

ebola1717 wrote: post #207

yummyfajitas wrote: post #170

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I don't understand - a white supremacist took a quantity from the DOJ, then took a percentage from the DOJ, and multiplied them together to get a new quantity. Does multiplication become invalid when a white supremacist does it? Or do DOJ stats become false when a racist cites them? Please, I would like to understand your logic. I do find it a bit scary that when I google "black on white crime", only racist sites sho…

White on white crimes are 5x common than black on white crimes. It's obvious cherry-picking.

That isn't how they are being compared though - nor is it relevant.

You want to compare black on white crimes to white on black crimes. Not white on white crimes.

Across all races - they primarily commit crime against their own race. But some races receive more crime than they give.

Adjusted for population (there are far more white people than black people) there should be about equal white on black crime as black on white crime per capita. That isn't the case and is precisely what the data reads.

What is important isn't to jump to conclusions but rather investigate why. Which nobody wants to do unless they get labeled as a racist.

Re: This Is Not a Day Care. It’s a University

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Post by crusso » Tue, Dec 01, 2015, 6:00 PM UTC

licoricetic wrote: post #512

jazzyk wrote: post #412

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If I understand correctly, they clearly state their religious affiliation. They are free to "teach" whatever they want. And you are free to get your education somewhere else.

Being an asshole to students, or even sinners, is not Christian as in Christ. The university is operating under false pretenses.

I guess I see what you're trying to do - and I'm not a Christian; but the Christ depicted in the New Testament wasn't shy about calling out inappropriate behavior. He didn't politely ask the money changers to leave the temple, he flipped their tables over.

Re: This Is Not a Day Care. It’s a University

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Post by warfangle » Tue, Dec 01, 2015, 6:00 PM UTC

nkassis wrote: post #529

warfangle wrote: post #498

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There's a stark difference between what people who dislike the concept of "safe space" think a "safe space" is and what a "safe space" actually is. A "safe space" is a place where you know you aren't going to be singled out and harmed (verbally or physically) by someone telling you that you're a queer faggot and deserve to die. A "safe space" is a place where people can discuss the actual issues of hatred, bigotry an…

I was following your argument until this part: "All the anti-safe-space discussion on Hacker News lately is truly, horribly, fucking disgustingly indicative of the inherent sexism and flat-out hatred that worms its way through developer culture." I don't see how you made this connection. The way it's worded seems to imply that holding opinions that safe space have issues in practice would lead to being sexist and hav…

Holding the opinion that safe spaces are cudgels of fear used to intimidate people probably indicates exactly what I said it did.

Re: This Is Not a Day Care. It’s a University

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Post by Agustus » Tue, Dec 01, 2015, 6:01 PM UTC

maldusiecle wrote: post #486

aggieben wrote: post #411

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There's a stark difference between a free and voluntary association of like-minded people and a so-called "safe space", which uses a pretext of "victimization" to capriciously thought control others who simply committed the offense of disagreeing or criticizing. If you hate Christianity, why would you go to this school? If you aren't willing to follow behavioral rules, why would you go to this school? If you think ph…

Gee, think you have enough scare quotes around? There absolutely are victims on college campuses--victims of sexual assault, of racist acts of violence, of acts of intimidation based on their sexual orientation. I knew people who suffered these things. It's crap to act as if this is all made up. The purpose of safe spaces isn't to impose thought control, it's to allow people who have suffered a chance to recover. You…

What of those who are not in college, do we provide them who have experienced these acts a safe space?

Are college students, the supposed vanguard of curious minds, closing their minds and reducing their ability to deal with the world they live in?

Re: This Is Not a Day Care. It’s a University

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Post by stefantalpalaru » Tue, Dec 01, 2015, 6:01 PM UTC

Robin_Message wrote: post #403

pc86 wrote: post #357

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Please post a source for the pro Hitler comment, at least.

It sounded like hyperbole to me too, but then I remembered: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daily_Mail#Rise_of_fascism The owner in 1933 at least was a strong supporter of fascism in general, and Hitler in particular.

> The owner in 1933 at least was a strong supporter of fascism in general, and Hitler in particular.

So was the royal family at the time: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/royals/6548665/The...

Re: This Is Not a Day Care. It’s a University

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Post by semi-extrinsic » Tue, Dec 01, 2015, 6:02 PM UTC

6stringmerc wrote: post #430

joeclark77 wrote: post #406

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It doesn't contain the word "Creationism". The word "Creation" simply means "the universe", i.e. that which is created.

No, it's not that blatant, as I mention elsewhere. However, from my understanding of Evolution, there is no associated implication with respect to the origin of life. Thus, it's a specious pairing of concepts, further anchored by the last point regarding "Biblical Principles" because taking the good book literally means the 6 day Creation of Genesis doesn't leave any room for Evolution.

FWIW it's impossible to take the Creation in Genesis literally, because there are two different Creation stories in Genesis.

Re: This Is Not a Day Care. It’s a University

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Post by jonknee » Tue, Dec 01, 2015, 6:02 PM UTC

ams6110 wrote: post #534

jonknee wrote: post #525

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> Really? Citation please; I simply don't believe this. Most Christian universities that I have any knowledge of invite (or at least aren't averse to it) tough discussion, and allow for a pretty wide range of critical thought about interpretations of the Bible, how Christianity should relate to politics, culture, science, and many other subjects. You have missed out on the wave of evangelical schools that market to p…

All universities (and for that matter, employers) have a code of conduct or ethics that defines standards of behavior and expectations. How is that babysitting?

For starters it deals with banning legal off campus behavior.

Re: This Is Not a Day Care. It’s a University

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Post by AnimalMuppet » Tue, Dec 01, 2015, 6:03 PM UTC

jellicle wrote: post #323

lawlessone wrote: post #197

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Don't forget that time that Navy SEAL punched a professor for saying God didn't exist. That Navy SEAL was Albert Einstein.

Yeah, pretty much. The likelihood of a student at a private, conservative, Oklahoma, evangelical, religious school going up to the school president/religious leader after a sermon and making a supposed left-wing, liberal, "I'm so easily offended that I get offended by your sermon about love" complaint is zero. People on HN are taking this straw man attack and running with it, though. It's meme-licious.

It's outside your expectations of how people behave, therefore it didn't happen? I find that rather presumptuous...

Re: This Is Not a Day Care. It’s a University

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Post by jonknee » Tue, Dec 01, 2015, 6:03 PM UTC

aggieben wrote: post #539

jonknee wrote: post #525

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> Really? Citation please; I simply don't believe this. Most Christian universities that I have any knowledge of invite (or at least aren't averse to it) tough discussion, and allow for a pretty wide range of critical thought about interpretations of the Bible, how Christianity should relate to politics, culture, science, and many other subjects. You have missed out on the wave of evangelical schools that market to p…

So, this has everything to do with you not liking how this school runs itself, and not a thing to do with the claim "If you say anything negative about the religion or its teachings, you are kicked out," and not a thing to do with "safe spaces".

You can be expelled for dancing, they're not having legitimate discussions about religion.

Re: This Is Not a Day Care. It’s a University

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Post by cma » Tue, Dec 01, 2015, 6:04 PM UTC

aggieben wrote: post #411

lghh wrote: post #199

I have a friend who attended OKWU a few years ago. She shared this piece on Facebook in approval. From what I know from her education there, this place is essentially a "safe-space" for Christians. If you say anything negative about the religion or its teachings, you are kicked out. If you don't follow its rules, you are kicked out. If you drink, smoke, have premarital sex, are lgbtq, don't follow their strict ethics…

There's a stark difference between a free and voluntary association of like-minded people and a so-called "safe space", which uses a pretext of "victimization" to capriciously thought control others who simply committed the offense of disagreeing or criticizing. If you hate Christianity, why would you go to this school? If you aren't willing to follow behavioral rules, why would you go to this school? If you think ph…

>I simply don't believe this.

http://prospect.org/article/report-bob-jones-university-resp...

>There were other systemic problems in BJU’s counseling program. The same staff in charge of counseling were also often involved in BJU’s disciplinary infrastructure—in a school where students could get in significant trouble for an astonishing array of infractions, from not keeping their rooms clean enough to going off campus without permission. Students routinely were expelled without notice.

>In an uneasy mix of roles, Jim Berg served as both the head counselor and head disciplinarian. But the problem was broader than his particular purview, as victims described an environment where they were afraid to come forward to get help after being raped, because they feared being punished for breaking another rule during their attack. One student who was struggling with the revelation of her childhood abuse told GRACE she was placed on disciplinary counseling after she was caught smoking cigarettes, and Chancellor Bob Jones III attempted to impose an even harsher sentence of restricting her to campus for a semester.

>Particularly harrowing was the experience of a student who alleged that her pastor had been raping her since she was 15, and who came to BJU officials when she became pregnant as a result of ongoing coercive sex with the pastor. But because she had lied about going off campus to meet him, BJU kicked her out of school.

>BJU officials defended its comingling of counseling and discipline as something that made sense within the school’s enduring adherence to the practice of in loco parentis— the quasi-parental role that most colleges abandoned fifty years ago—but students described its effect as both chilling and retaliatory.