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Oceans hit highest temperature on record

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Post by wing-_-nuts »

thelastgallon wrote: post #305
wing-_-nuts wrote: post #63

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>This is literally going to kill millions. You could be right, but I think the more likely outcome is a 'Ministry for the Future' scenario where India or China just decide to unilaterally implement geoengineering and dare the rest of the world to stop them.

Indias per capita income is ~$2700.

Last estimates I've seen for the cost of stratospheric sulfide injection was ~ 2-3B/yr.

That's not nothing, but it's definitely something India could afford to do unilaterally, not to mention China

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Post by the_real_cher »

HDBaseT wrote: post #229
the_real_cher wrote: post #48

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I know. Banning internal combustion engines is a good first step.

I will kill myself the day I can no longer drive an internal combustion engine. I don't really see any purpose if we have to be confined to computer enabled cars with built in surveillance with no resemblance of quality, control or freedom.

You don't drive EVs. They will drive for you through FSD.

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Post by wing-_-nuts »

Yizahi wrote: post #92
wing-_-nuts wrote: post #63

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>This is literally going to kill millions. You could be right, but I think the more likely outcome is a 'Ministry for the Future' scenario where India or China just decide to unilaterally implement geoengineering and dare the rest of the world to stop them.

There is a tiny problem with that hypothesis - there are I think at most 3 potentially viable climate reversal options - DAC, sun shield and aerosol injection in the atmosphere. All 3 options are likely cost through the nose and will require sums and efforts on a global scale. Any single country attempting them on its own, would require to set aside double digit amounts of its GDP for decades, effectively crippling i…

I've seen estimates of the cost of sulfide injection to be about 2-3B / yr / 1C.

That's not outside of the capability of a country like India, much less China

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Post by ncr100 »

willmeyers wrote: post #31

This El Niño is going to be interesting come Christmas time. Lot's of weather and climate unpredictability coming to a region near you!

According to a client scientist on a news program, 2027 will be the hottest year on record.

Expect lots more chaos and death of wildlife in the ocean as we are seeing in the Pacific Northwest of the United States, sharks migrating to places where they don't normally and surprising humans, gray whales are washing up on the shores at larger and larger rates, jellyfish to have a lot more food so there will be a lot more jellyfish, invasive beetle species will have a lot more food, algae blooms will be a lot more prevalent so the ocean will become more toxic.

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Post by zamadatix »

DoctorOetker wrote: post #349
zamadatix wrote: post #278

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I think they were saying "That BBC documentary shows or exposes very shallow thinking skills at this timestamp". not " " That said, I can't quite understand the complaint. It's either take the freshwater out of the lake and into the ocean or take the ocean water into the lake (or invest build the entire length without using natural bodies). The former seems to make a lot more sense and is effectively what's supposed…

No connection to a lake is necessary, imagine 2 locks in parallel both connected to the same low water level canal section "on the left" and both connected to the same high water level canal to the right (its not necessary to have 2 locks in parallel, its just easier to demonstrate the scheme doesn't require significant energy consumption): Imagine one lock is currently filled to the high level, while the other is cu…

It's not about the mechanics of the water transfer. About half the canal itself IS the man made lakes. The ships need to come in from the ocean, float in through the lock, and then continue course over the lakes.

Prior to the rivers being damned to make the lakes, they just emptied into the ocean directly. No net new fresh water is being created, we're just holding it up for a bit so we didn't have to build as much canal.

If anything, we're diverting more of that aater away from the Atlantic and towards the pacific than would normally have drained in that direction by doing this.

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Post by Windchaser »

floro wrote: post #404
Windchaser wrote: post #111

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> The biggest lie we're being told in the west is that we have a hand in climate change. If you look at total historic emissions to date, the US is responsible for 25% of all of them, and the EU is close behind at 22%. China is at 13%. And if you look at historic emissions per person , then each American has produced ~8x as much as the average Chinese person. https://ourworldindata.org/contributed-most-global-co2 Yes…

>has played There you have it. My comment was about the current post-industrial west. You are making a disingenuous attempt at shifting blame onto the west. The main problem countries today are China and India.

> You are making a disingenuous attempt at shifting blame onto the west.

What makes this disingenuous?

I thought I was pretty clear and honest about my belief that the West is to blame for a huge portion of the warming so far -- and this is backed by data -- and I was clear and honest that I think we are not meeting our responsibility today to lead the way out of GHG emissions. And even today, we USians still have a rather higher GHG emissions per capita than the Chinese do.

(India is barely even in the picture, and their emissions per capita today are 1/6 of the US')

So, yes: this still represents a problem with the *current* west. We should be rather further along in decarbonizing, but we are dragging our feet, held up by the fact that a lot of folks don't want to acknowledge that ACC is a problem.

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Post by Windchaser »

0xy wrote: post #335
Windchaser wrote: post #111

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> The biggest lie we're being told in the west is that we have a hand in climate change. If you look at total historic emissions to date, the US is responsible for 25% of all of them, and the EU is close behind at 22%. China is at 13%. And if you look at historic emissions per person , then each American has produced ~8x as much as the average Chinese person. https://ourworldindata.org/contributed-most-global-co2 Yes…

96.6% of new energy capacity in the US came from green sources from 2024 to 2026 (nuclear, batteries, wind, hydro, solar). In China, in that time period, they built 52 brand new coal plants.

Sure. But again, compare our current GHG emissions per capita.

Or set aside new electrical energy capacity, and instead look at other GHG sources: automobiles, agriculture, concrete. Are we doing well there? Mostly, no, not great, and we should be much further along in decarbonizing than we are.

For the most part, the US has not taken ACC seriously.

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Post by lhopki01 »

DoctorOetker wrote: post #350
MSM wrote: post #234

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> Keep the freshwater, use it for irrigation etc. In this scenario, haven't you poured a bunch of ocean water into the lake? I don't see how to can fill the locks with ocean water and not have it pour into the lake.

no connection to a lake is necessary.

A trivial look at the Panama canal will show that it is a not a connection to a lake but rather it goes through a lake. Bypassing the lake would require digging a length of canal longer than the existing canal. So you would be dumping salt water into a freshwater lake.

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Post by Noaidi »

johnnyApplePRNG wrote: post #211
Noaidi wrote: post #75

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I live in a minivan and drive around the United States every year. I started noticing it two years ago, but last year was really difficult for me to go to the usual places I went. I’m up in the Pacific Northwest right now and I’m not even planning where I’m gonna go this year because I’m definitely gonna just be following the weather. One thing I will definitely not be doing is staying around the Palm Springs area, w…

That's crazy! Are you enjoying the van life? Always dreamed of doing it myself.

It was forced on me, so I have to enjoy it (Homeless, the rent is too damn high). Just hard to do when you live off of disability with a serious mental illness. Also, my van is a 2001 dodge grand caravan so don't get too excited. :)

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Post by leonidasrup »

pfisch wrote: post #173
neom wrote: post #10

BBC did a pretty good deep dive a few days ago on what we're in for: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xZCh8eDZFc DW also, similar stuff, but the guest is quite good: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dcl5Mn373Oc Anton Petrov covered it from a much more science lens a couple months back: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRoU3whzX_Q

The eu is stupid for not engaging in active climate engineering right now. They are the most at risk and should take decisive action before they end up living in a glacier. All the downvotes are just showing why no action is being taken even though right now we are literally terraforming the planet with no plan, and it is going to stop the transatlantic currents that keep Europe from becoming arctic. But sure, just d…

"The EU’s Climate Commissioner Wopke Hoekstra warns that to prevent costs from spiraling further, European governments must start investing massive sums in measures to climate-proof their countries, known as adaptation."

https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-climate-adaptation-spendi...

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