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AI isn’t outthinking mathematicians, it’s out-remembering them

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Re: AI isn’t outthinking mathematicians, it’s out-remembering them

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Post by bhaak »

OroPla wrote: post #525
bhaak wrote: post #507

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Disproving flat Earth doesn't logically prove round Earth, sure. But that's not how empirical reasoning works. If one model explains a bunch of observations naturally while another needs increasingly elaborate patches, that's evidence in favor of the first model. There's a difference between "I haven't verified this myself" and "there is no good reason to believe this." You're conflating the two. But then I've given…

I'm not disagreeing with your conclusion. All I'm saying is that I'm just parroting these things without actually verifying them - and so are you. If flat Earth gets you all excited, I can also explain the concept with Pythagoras' theorem. I never did a formal proof of it, yet I just use it because it works and I'm pretty sure it's true. Someone else proved it and I'm just parroting that without ever even having both…

I’m disagreeing that I am just parroting things. Parroting is mindlessly repeating something. I don’t claim that all my thoughts are original but some are at least independent and self derived.

We have 2500 years of epistemology. Individual humans can reach knowledge to various degrees. It’s not a binary state of knowing or not knowing.

Re: AI isn’t outthinking mathematicians, it’s out-remembering them

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Post by OroPla »

bhaak wrote: post #531
OroPla wrote: post #525

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not disagreeing with your conclusion. All I'm saying is that I'm just parroting these things without actually verifying them - and so are you. If flat Earth gets you all excited, I can also explain the concept with Pythagoras' theorem. I never did a formal proof of it, yet I just use it because it works and I'm pretty sure it's true. Someone else proved it and I'm just parroting that without ever even having both…

I’m disagreeing that I am just parroting things. Parroting is mindlessly repeating something. I don’t claim that all my thoughts are original but some are at least independent and self derived. We have 2500 years of epistemology. Individual humans can reach knowledge to various degrees. It’s not a binary state of knowing or not knowing.

Take the Pythagoras example then. How is it different from parroting if you never even read and understood the proof? And alright, parroting might be a negative word and you could want to use a fancy word saying you're following heuristics instead. But it doesn't change that you maintain and propagate knowledge that you have not personally verified in a rigorous sense.

There are examples of things written in school books that were just plain wrong because no one bothered to properly verify it. We all settle for "good enough" most of the time.

Re: AI isn’t outthinking mathematicians, it’s out-remembering them

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Post by complianceowll »

cauch wrote: post #528
complianceowll wrote: post #526

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Why are you always so mad, Cauch? I'm worried about you, Cauch.

Oh, it took me a while to find out who you were. Are you stalking me now? I did made an impression on you. I'm sorry.

We're in too deep to let go of each other now, Cauch. Stalking? No. I'd say, unsolicited following.

On a serious note, I was reflecting the other day and recognize I need to do better with how I address people online. I genuinely apologize for my part in our nasty interaction. It's something I've struggled with, but I will do better.

Re: AI isn’t outthinking mathematicians, it’s out-remembering them

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Post by cauch »

complianceowll wrote: post #533
cauch wrote: post #528

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Oh, it took me a while to find out who you were. Are you stalking me now? I did made an impression on you. I'm sorry.

We're in too deep to let go of each other now, Cauch. Stalking? No. I'd say, unsolicited following. On a serious note, I was reflecting the other day and recognize I need to do better with how I address people online. I genuinely apologize for my part in our nasty interaction. It's something I've struggled with, but I will do better.

Too deep? Have you considered seeking help? Our interaction should not be a big deal for balanced people. I had forgotten about it myself and moved on. If you cannot, it shows there is something wrong going on and maybe it should worry you.

As for the unsolicited following, I'm not sure what you would get out of it. I guess you will regularly spew your bile. But it does not really affect me, it just confirms I'm right about what I think of you. The "unsolicited following" perfectly fits the character, it is not really an action that you expect from the "winning side" of the story.

Re: AI isn’t outthinking mathematicians, it’s out-remembering them

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Post by senordevnyc »

solid_fuel wrote: post #527
senordevnyc wrote: post #524

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Yawn, petty insults. How predictable. I took a look at your comments because I was curious to see what particular brand of AI hater would be willing to give up all AI for a single almond lol. I imagine you’re in for a really rough next few years with this level of blind rage that leads to these kinds of crash-outs. I hope you find some peace.

Bud, you can't even handle someone saying LLMs aren't sentient. Take that fake concern, roll it up real tight, and shove it way up your ass. You'll need it, as all your hopes and dreams fall apart. But hey, maybe you'll be able to buy something you can pretend is a friend in a few years. You certainly won't have any human ones, with the way you approach disagreements.

Not even a new petty insult? Is this seriously the best you can do? You’re hardly being the poster child for why human connection or intelligence is better lol. Ironically, LLMs could write much better insults. Might want to try that, just to spice it up.

Re: AI isn’t outthinking mathematicians, it’s out-remembering them

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Post by complianceowll »

cauch wrote: post #534
complianceowll wrote: post #533

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We're in too deep to let go of each other now, Cauch. Stalking? No. I'd say, unsolicited following. On a serious note, I was reflecting the other day and recognize I need to do better with how I address people online. I genuinely apologize for my part in our nasty interaction. It's something I've struggled with, but I will do better.

Too deep? Have you considered seeking help? Our interaction should not be a big deal for balanced people. I had forgotten about it myself and moved on. If you cannot, it shows there is something wrong going on and maybe it should worry you. As for the unsolicited following, I'm not sure what you would get out of it. I guess you will regularly spew your bile. But it does not really affect me, it just confirms I'm righ…

Damn, you really do have issues. Welp, I tried. Seek help my man.

I personally don't care how you respond to my apology; I don't say that defiantly. I just believe that I should own any toxicity I spewed unnecessarily.

But how you respond to someone's genuine apology speaks volumes about how rotten you have become as a person. And I say that in a factual manner; not in any retaliatory way. You are a truly rotten person.

If you have any, I truly feel sorry for your spouse and any children.

Anyways Cauch, best of luck, bud. May your spirit one day be free from the anger and bitterness that oozes from your being.

Re: AI isn’t outthinking mathematicians, it’s out-remembering them

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Post by cauch »

complianceowll wrote: post #536
cauch wrote: post #534

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Too deep? Have you considered seeking help? Our interaction should not be a big deal for balanced people. I had forgotten about it myself and moved on. If you cannot, it shows there is something wrong going on and maybe it should worry you. As for the unsolicited following, I'm not sure what you would get out of it. I guess you will regularly spew your bile. But it does not really affect me, it just confirms I'm righ…

Damn, you really do have issues. Welp, I tried. Seek help my man. I personally don't care how you respond to my apology; I don't say that defiantly. I just believe that I should own any toxicity I spewed unnecessarily. But how you respond to someone's genuine apology speaks volumes about how rotten you have become as a person. And I say that in a factual manner; not in any retaliatory way. You are a truly rotten pers…

I think that if you wanted me to be compassionate, you should have avoided to be so creepy. Put yourself in my shoes, I just feel like I'm been accosted by a drunk who want to both become my best bud and shout at me. And because of that, I'm, on purpose, avoiding to give you any compassion or any other excuse to believe I care about you. That's the best strategy with this kind of crazies.

And this is quite creepy: 1. tracking me back, months after we had our discussion, as if it is something you still think about, this is super creepy, 2. saying, even under the cover of humour (cf. next point), that we're "in too deep" or that it is an "unsolicited following", this is creepy, 3. and bringing all that as a "joke", that is just so bizarre, it reminds me of the caricatural obsessive date "oh we should definitively move in together ... just joking ... and decide the name of our future children ... just joking ahahah ..."

So, yeah, just consider that I'm a rotten person if it helps you, or blame others for not showing you the compassion you crave when you admit that you have been shitty with them. You are not relevant to me, I've forgotten about you so fast last time and I can easily block your username if I decide I have better entertainment elsewhere, and I truly don't care about whatever fantasy you invented about me in your strange brain.

Re: AI isn’t outthinking mathematicians, it’s out-remembering them

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Post by complianceowll »

cauch wrote: post #537
complianceowll wrote: post #536

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Damn, you really do have issues. Welp, I tried. Seek help my man. I personally don't care how you respond to my apology; I don't say that defiantly. I just believe that I should own any toxicity I spewed unnecessarily. But how you respond to someone's genuine apology speaks volumes about how rotten you have become as a person. And I say that in a factual manner; not in any retaliatory way. You are a truly rotten pers…

I think that if you wanted me to be compassionate, you should have avoided to be so creepy. Put yourself in my shoes, I just feel like I'm been accosted by a drunk who want to both become my best bud and shout at me. And because of that, I'm, on purpose, avoiding to give you any compassion or any other excuse to believe I care about you. That's the best strategy with this kind of crazies. And this is quite creepy: 1.…

I'm not considering that you're a rotten person. I'm telling you that as a matter of fact. You're not able to see it and I understand that. One day you're young and full of life; the next, you're a middle-aged man that is bitter.

I wouldn't expect someone who finds themselves in that state to pick up on it.

You mentioned the caricature that it reminds you of. That is a reflection of something that is taking place inside you and baggage that you bring into an interaction that doesn't merit it. If you can't discern that, that is not something I, or anyone else, can help you with.

You mentioned that I wanted compassion from you. The fact that you're so comfortable making that assumption says a lot about the intellectual integrity you have and the lack of honesty you bring to discussions in your life. Nobody was expecting compassion. However, I emphasize once again and my point remains: how you respond to someone's genuine apology speaks volumes about you.

I know that reflection in the mirror is one you will try to deny and rationalize away, but it's one you should reflect on and, who knows, maybe even use as moment in your life that catapults you into change.

You pointed out, almost in "gotcha" fashion that I admit I have been shitty with people -- I have. 100%. The difference between you and I is not that I have been shitty and you haven't. It's that I still have something inside me that compels to own my shitiness and change. You don't. You're comfortable in your rotteness.

You'll block my username only when the truth of my words hurts too much. Otherwise, being the rotten person you are, you will continue to enjoy the back and forth because you get off on the rage.

Anyways, I'm about to go workout and enjoy my day. I am releasing you Cauch!

Re: AI isn’t outthinking mathematicians, it’s out-remembering them

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Post by cauch »

complianceowll wrote: post #538
cauch wrote: post #537

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think that if you wanted me to be compassionate, you should have avoided to be so creepy. Put yourself in my shoes, I just feel like I'm been accosted by a drunk who want to both become my best bud and shout at me. And because of that, I'm, on purpose, avoiding to give you any compassion or any other excuse to believe I care about you. That's the best strategy with this kind of crazies. And this is quite creepy: 1.…

I'm not considering that you're a rotten person. I'm telling you that as a matter of fact. You're not able to see it and I understand that. One day you're young and full of life; the next, you're a middle-aged man that is bitter. I wouldn't expect someone who finds themselves in that state to pick up on it. You mentioned the caricature that it reminds you of. That is a reflection of something that is taking place ins…

I'm still not sure what you imagine this conversation will do. What do you think will happen? You know I think you are ridiculous and pathetic, already from the previous conversation. And you're coming back after months to do this strange little dance, it just looks so unhinged. Do you really think this whole conversation will change that, and not in fact reconfirming that my first impression was correct?

I feel that you are trying to convince me that you are very wise by doing more and more unhinged things. I'm not sure why you think this would even work.

As I've said, I'm 100% fine to know that you think I'm rotten. You already insulted me previously, I got the message and I can't care less, so why come back to do it again? Why would you think I will take you seriously now? Are you "trying to save me from myself"? That's not really convincing: coming back to a stranger on the internet after few months for pure altruism, that is not something that a sane person would do (especially as you were pretending that you did not care at all). Instead of "trying to save me from myself", the readers will suspect that you came back because you still have things on your chest, and that this conversation is more for you than for me. That's sad.

Re: AI isn’t outthinking mathematicians, it’s out-remembering them

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Post by solid_fuel »

senordevnyc wrote: post #535
solid_fuel wrote: post #527

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bud, you can't even handle someone saying LLMs aren't sentient. Take that fake concern, roll it up real tight, and shove it way up your ass. You'll need it, as all your hopes and dreams fall apart. But hey, maybe you'll be able to buy something you can pretend is a friend in a few years. You certainly won't have any human ones, with the way you approach disagreements.

Not even a new petty insult? Is this seriously the best you can do? You’re hardly being the poster child for why human connection or intelligence is better lol. Ironically, LLMs could write much better insults. Might want to try that, just to spice it up.

> Ironically, LLMs could write much better insults. Might want to try that, just to spice it up.

This is getting fun. If you want to be insulted by an LLM, chat.openai.com is right there. Go ask it to be mean to you.

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