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Re: The UK's war on anonymity has come to America

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Post by inigyou »

GoblinSlayer wrote: post #477
Cthulhu_ wrote: post #398

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Said parents and guardians cannot protect their kids all the time - they have their own responsibilities like work. Most kids go to school during the day. The few that aren't grow up in homeschooling systems or cult-like environments, which are their own problem. I frequently see this rhetoric (parents should look after their kids) from naive people on the internet that clearly don't have kids of their own (or don't…

All people were kids and know first hand what it means to be a kid, no need for vetted authority on that.

But we went to school 10-80 years ago and even 10 years ago, school was very different back then. Apparently now there's a lot more technology involved, and kids can bring their phones and use their phones all day which is why there's a backlash. When I was at school, phones were mainly used for texting (or calling, but not at school) and if you were (un)lucky enough have one, you had to put it in a locked drawer of the teacher's desk at the start of the day.

Re: The UK's war on anonymity has come to America

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Post by hdgvhicv »

sophrosyne42 wrote: post #478
ytoawwhra92 wrote: post #284

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No ID checks at clubs, bars, or other adults-only venues. No school zone speed limits, or protected crossings on streets near schools. No requirements for railings on public balconies, fencing around public pools, protective covers over drains or other holes in the ground. Parents/guardians can just supervise. Sounds great!

Ok, take it the other way. You want to marry someone? Make sure the government approves for your safety. Want to make dinner? First you have to send the recipe to your local overseer with proof of your safe cooking credentials or you will have to pay heafty fines for noncompliance. Want to make love, read a book, speak your mind, make a contract with someone, work the job you want? Sorry, you can't decide that yourse…

While children are often married off to old men in the US and Afghanistan in more civilised countries the state tend to intervene.

Re: The UK's war on anonymity has come to America

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Post by autoexec »

inigyou wrote: post #399
autoexec wrote: post #327

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You wouldn't have to prove that you were or weren't targeting children. You'd just have to operate a social media platform and allow infinite scrolling. The law would define a social media platform. Maybe something like: The term “social media platform” means a website or internet medium that— (A) permits a person to become a registered user, establish an account, or create a profile for the purpose of allowing users…

The EU has been pretty successful with rough definitions and "I know it when I see it". The Digital Markets Act just specifies which specific companies are too powerful and need to be regulated, and a process for adding more.

I'll give them credit for doing a much better job than the US does. I still think they could go a lot farther. There was tons of praise for GDPR as having actual teeth, but there are still companies who are getting fined again and again and again because the violations of the law are making more money for them than the fines they have to pay when they get caught.

Re: The UK's war on anonymity has come to America

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Post by account42 »

watwut wrote: post #505
xienze wrote: post #488

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> Because this is leaning on blaming to UK for everything the US is doing to itself an awful lot. Hasn't the UK had a culture of surveillance (the famous CCTV cameras) and arresting people over online wrongthink for quite some time though? Who inspired who?

No it did not. Online right wing is trying to push narrative that is all.

Is your privacy really worth giving up to "own the right"?

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Post by foldr »

akimbostrawman wrote: post #519
KaiserPro wrote: post #485

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> No "just" scared to open my mouth or defend myself or family with the little to none legal weaponary Bitch please. Firstly the _victim_ was foreign not the attacker. second, you are well within your rights to use reasonable force. Sometimes that involves chasing an attacker down the street with a cricket bat and beating the shit out of someone. > foreign attackers imported against our will which are excluded from s…

>Bitch please I could literally be arrested for what I said, can you claim the same in the US? >chasing an attacker down the street with a cricket bat and beating the shit out of someone. Someone literally got arrested for buying a baseball bat couple days ago... >thats not way to talk about the scottish Somehow they aren't included in the law exclusion or are part of the group doing disproportionate amounts of stabb…

Yes, the same can happen in the US. In general, no country has successfully constructed a magical force field that prevents its police officers from ever arresting people for stupid reasons.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/oct/31/tennessee-ma...

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Post by dijksterhuis »

account42 wrote: post #508
dijksterhuis wrote: post #377

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reads like you’re espousing a theoretical position from a theoretical perspective https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49205469 > you know, i feel like the "it's the parents' responsibility" comments that turn up on submissions like this often tend towards phrasing like " the parents " rather than " with my children i ..." if you’ve had kids maybe you’d like to share with the class exactly how you go about doing exac…

> if not, maybe let parents figure out how to parent rather than expecting them to be perfect for everyone else’s benefit. Only if you can figure it out without building a dystopia for everyone else.

living in a society with others involves compromises and tradeoffs. it’s rare anyone gets exactly what they want.

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Post by dijksterhuis »

suslik wrote: post #395
dijksterhuis wrote: post #377

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reads like you’re espousing a theoretical position from a theoretical perspective https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49205469 > you know, i feel like the "it's the parents' responsibility" comments that turn up on submissions like this often tend towards phrasing like " the parents " rather than " with my children i ..." if you’ve had kids maybe you’d like to share with the class exactly how you go about doing exac…

>maybe let parents figure out how to parent That can only work if parents as an interest group stop bothering the rest of us with the very 'think of the children' nonsense that spawned this thread. If you are inventing laws that affect us, we should also have a say.

you do get to have a say. contact your local elected officials. the democratic process requires effort from the electorate :shrug:

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Post by inigyou »

account42 wrote: post #513
kakacik wrote: post #386

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You clearly don't have kids. You drop them at school and for maybe 8 hours a day, as a parent you have 0 control over whats happening. Bullying, peer pressure etc. How is that also parent's responsibility? Parents shouldn't buy smart phone to kids, period. There are 0 reasons kid of say 15 or lower should have one instead of dumb phone (or new commodore one with google maps and whatsapp but no browser or apps), in sa…

If you don't have any influence over how your kid acts at school and what he learns from the experience there then you're not parenting. At some point your kid is going to move out or you will die and then you will have even less influence. School is a test for that.

You have limited influence. The school has a lot more. Would you choose a school with a bad reputation for letting children watch brainrot all day? What if every school is like that and you don't really have a choice - would you homeschool? Or would you say the government should maybe tell the schools to stop doing that?

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Post by inigyou »

miohtama wrote: post #465

Here is a 2-minute tutorial video on how to turn on parental controls on an iPhone. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/tv6vxRBEa2o Instead of asking parents to do this, you get these laws where you need to show your id to unlock your own device. Clearly.

Does it actually work? Does it block porn sites while allowing access to educational sites?

Re: The UK's war on anonymity has come to America

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Post by account42 »

nzeid wrote: post #10
matheusmoreira wrote: post #3

> These NGOs have converged upon a unified strategy: use the rhetoric of ‘child safety’ to advocate for digital ID laws that would prevent adults from using the internet anonymously. Of course. Anyone who brings up kids is trying to manipulate you into giving up your freedom for security. Whatever argument they make should be simply ignored and dismissed.

Worth noting that there's no security in a system that abusively collects your data. That goes for children as well.

There is security for those in control of the government.
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