I called this maybe 3y ago, but I think so did everyone else that was sane. Sure, we get immense value from AI, but indiscriminately injecting into everything, the one thing we know to be unreliable above the threshold we used to fire people for, is probably the greatest undoing of all the good companies like Google brought to the internet. I mean what a way to destroy your legacy of democratizing information. The am…
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In a world, where everything can be stolen it will be hard to produce anything. I still have hope though. Maybe the Internet will be better. Currently everything has to be monietized. Everything is ad heavy. At the beginning it was not so. People created things out of passion, or boredom. We can returned to that scheme. I have seen neocities, personal blogs created and maintained in this year. I know I run my own "In…
This is a common misremembering of the early internet. The internet was never ad free. The first ad was posted online in the 1970s (for DEC)! It pissed people off but not everyone: supposedly it generated $18M in sales. There was very little advertising back then only because the internet was restricted to a handful of large companies and universities. The web itself was launched in 1991 and the early web was inacces…
The internet in Dec 1991 was already the largest computer network in the world according to some author back then. Certainly it was very very big.
Let me describe what ads or ad-like things there were.
Companies would announce job openings. These announcements were restricted to a few newsgroups such as ba.jobs and could not announce independent contractor openings: while it was okay to announce an opening for an employee (W2) or for an individual to announce his availability for employment, it was against the rules for a company to announce an opening for an independent contractor (1099) or for an independent contractor to announce his availability for work -- that was considered too much like commercial activity and was kept off the internet, which had almost no rules in the early 1990s, but one clear rule, consistently enforced, was, no commercial activity.
The job announcements stayed nicely contained (namely, restricted to newsgroups whose names ended in ".jobs") such that a person wouldn't encounter them unless they went looking for them. What did not stay nicely contained were announcements of academic conferences. When I was reading comp.lang.lisp, I could not avoid encountering announcements for many academic conferences on various programming-related topics even if they weren't about Lisp. And these announcements were repeated often (weekly or even more frequently).
But as far as anything ad-like, job announcements and conference announcements are all I can remember, and again only the conference announcements were obtrusive.
I heard that the proprietary online services like Compuserve and Prodigy had successfully argued in Washington that it was unfair for private enterprises to have to compete with a government-subsidized service (namely, the internet) and extracted a commitment from Washington that any commercial activity would be kept off the internet.
Again, there were almost no rules on the internet of 1991 and earlier. Tim Berners Lee for example did not need to get anyone's permission to start the web: he just wrote a web client, stood up the first web server and announced their availability. People acted like complete assholes on Usenet, and there was no way to rein them in. Pedophiles openly exchanged practical advice on how to target and exploit children on alt.sex.pedophilia. But one clear rule was no commercial activity, e.g., no selling, no trading and certainly no advertising.
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It is an astute point. I agree that we have largely lost a lot of our shared reality. But as with any "beginning" of a long, diffuse process, people might quibble about the specifics. I offer a few other moments you might gesture toward as the beginning of the end of shared reality. First, 1987, with the elimination of the Fairness Doctrine and the subsequent boom in partisan talk radio shows. Second, 1989, when cabl…
All of those are pretty specific to US national culture whereas GP is talking about something more global.
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#534I called this maybe 3y ago, but I think so did everyone else that was sane. Sure, we get immense value from AI, but indiscriminately injecting into everything, the one thing we know to be unreliable above the threshold we used to fire people for, is probably the greatest undoing of all the good companies like Google brought to the internet. I mean what a way to destroy your legacy of democratizing information. The am…
Whatever AI is doing to how we find / share information aside, I do think that one under appreciated effect is on how software (and other things) get built. Lowering the barrier to entry for writing code and other tasks feels democratizing , but we may just not have had enough time to see how that hopefully has positive effects a decade out. Its funny how fast we forget that when Google came out and arguably now many…
It really isn’t doing any of that, though. When AI gets it wrong, that person needs to understand why it is wrong, and without that upfront knowledge or skill of reasoning, it’s much less direct to actually build something in the correct ways.
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It is an astute point. I agree that we have largely lost a lot of our shared reality. But as with any "beginning" of a long, diffuse process, people might quibble about the specifics. I offer a few other moments you might gesture toward as the beginning of the end of shared reality. First, 1987, with the elimination of the Fairness Doctrine and the subsequent boom in partisan talk radio shows. Second, 1989, when cabl…
The VCR became widespread during the 1980s > The industry boomed in the 1980s as more and more customers bought VCRs. By 1982, 10% of households in the United Kingdom owned a VCR. The figure reached 30% in 1985 and by the end of the decade well over half of British homes owned a VCR.
My impression of the VCR is not too many people managed to use it for DVR-style rescheduling live TV. Although it did have that feature. We mainly used it to watch movies that we had already been in the theater.
But, for sure, another fracturing. We weren't all talking about the nine movies in the theaters, but whatever we had rented and watched on tape instead.
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Last month I rebuilt my pool's plumbing system with the help of YouTube and GPT. I was quoted $6k and it ended up costing me about $1k of materials and a few days of work. This was my first exposure to any kind of outdoor plumbing, I'd never touched PVC before. It's unlikely I would have had the confidence to do it from YouTube alone, specific diagnostic help and a full diagram to work off of was extremely helpful. I…
I'm glad it went well for you. But I run a not-for-profit pinball museum, and I have specifically had to ban volunteer repairpeople from using the chatbots because it will confidently propose idiotically wrong solutions. Which will then get proposed to me, or just directly applied, with equal confidence. At this point I'd rather hear, "My horoscope said..." than "ChatGPT said..." I expect that it's good for common us…
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Nah, it needs to be IP. IP is well estabilished protocol, everything speak it. Once you set it up, you can use it whatever you like. Web pages, gaming service, IRC, Mail, P2P confereces, everything. Everyone will bring it own slice to the pie. You love networking, became PoP and peer and provide access. You just want content? Connect to closest PoP, get IP + DNSproxy and vioala.
The networking part exists, it's called DN42. But it's hard to set up. I don't see why you'd use this instead of an application layer password.
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Curious how old you are. As I've grown older, I noticed the cardinal pleasures don't hit like they used to. I also get nostalgic at times about the wonders of youth, experiencing things for the first time, falling in love, getting my heart broken, the little things of life. I've gotten great pleasure and reassurance knowing that's all ahead of my children. No matter how I progress personally, time marches on and I ge…
About 35 years old, more or less. > I also get nostalgic at times about the wonders of youth, experiencing things for the first time Yeah, I guess at one point I'll feel like that too perhaps, but I still feel young, I feel like I have more energy each day than the previous one, and every month is experiencing new things for the first time, and personally I don't want that to stop and experiencing those things throug…
As I approached 30 I felt what I now understand as anxiety. Nothing crazy but you wake up one day, you're a year old, you take stock of your life and see what you've accomplished. I chased credentials and new jobs, did well but not yet able to retire. Old relationships grew strained and new ones are hard to form. Etc. I was definitely more afraid of death than you are.
I stumbled into children. Met my wife, didn't overthink things and decided to marry her after several years of courtship. She wanted children so I went along with it.
After they were born, the anxiety went away entirely. I just watch them grow older. It might change after their grown but hopefully they'll have children and I'll be able to repeat the process (my parents sure have).
To answer your question, I don't see a way I could have been fulfilled without children. It brings a lot with it as well. Before children the worst thing that could happen to me is dying. After kids you realize there's a whole world of potential pain and sorrow that is now before you. You're also constantly reminded that every kid is a roll of the dice when you see others in a similar spot as you have children with health or behavioral issues. It's terrifying.
But for me life shouldn't be all pleasure. I've always liked exercise because it does feel terrible while you're doing it. But at least you're doing something. I feel that way about children.