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Google fixed more Chrome bugs in June than over the past two years, thanks to AI

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Re: Google fixed more Chrome bugs in June than over the past two years, thanks to AI

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Post by tstrimple »

simianwords wrote: post #90
Seb-C wrote: post #74

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Exactly, also it lacks a lot of context as to why they did that. Possible (probable?) scenario: - Marketing: "we found and fixed lots of bugs thanks to AI" - Reality: the KPI is now to fix as many bugs as possible with the help of AI, so they used AI to search old and easy bugs in the backlog, and then fixed it manually

Huh? Maybe a third scenario is that AI helped fix the bugs? Like described in the actual post you are replying to? This level of conspiracy theory is getting a bit ridiculous.

There's no reasoning with the folks who are anti-ai and claim LLM's cannot produce anything worthwhile. They are basically flat-earthers or anti-vaxxers at this point. There is literally no amount of evidence that will convince them. They will always say that LLMs cannot produce anything but garbage just like the anti-vaxxers who state vaccines just cause autism. They are both fucking morons who no one with any grip on reality should indulge.

Re: Google fixed more Chrome bugs in June than over the past two years, thanks to AI

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Post by rustfreeforme »

aenis wrote: post #443
dingaling wrote: post #422

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> Saying they're not fit for purpose doesn't seem correct. I'll quite happily say they were never fit for purpose. C had a role in bootstrapping early software development in the absence of anything better but once Lisp, Delphi, Smalltalk and Java arrived on the scene then it, and its equally footgunnable variants, should have been pushed to the margins where hardware constraint was the primary consideration. Writing…

Ekhem. When Chrome was announced there wasnt Rust. And Java was a programming language for slow moving systems, with many a flaws and its own classes of footguns. I dont think they had much of a choice in 2008. Now? Sure. I bet a rust port is in the works.

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Re: Google fixed more Chrome bugs in June than over the past two years, thanks to AI

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Post by rustfreeforme »

rpdillon wrote: post #487
raverbashing wrote: post #418

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Well we make work with the tools we have It worked well enough, maybe "fit for purpose" is a stronger word

Makes sense, but strangely, no one has responded to my question about why Servo hasn't been picked up, if Rust is such an important factor in browser engine implementation. People are calling using C and C++ "ridiculous" and "irresponsible" and "not fit for purpose". And yet, no one's using the alternative that's sitting right there?

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Re: Google fixed more Chrome bugs in June than over the past two years, thanks to AI

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Post by tstrimple »

cognitiveinline wrote: post #65
albinahlback wrote: post #39

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And how many were introduced by AI?

It's the opposite: humans. The most critical one (sandbox escape) has been sitting there for 13 years.

This is the thing the anti-ai zealots will never admit. Humans fucking suck at writing code. They talk about software development as if it's only ever performed by the top 1% of the top 1%. They never acknowledge that humans make mistakes. No. Humans create perfect code every fucking time while LLM's only produce slop. It's such a fucking mind-numbingly stupid position that I have to think they have never actually worked in an organization which produced code as a value. These fucking morons want to pretend a human never introduces a memory leak when it's plain as fucking day that vulnerabilities that these "expert programmers" introduce to software are rampant. But no. The anti-ai zealot likes to pretend that only LLMs ever produce bad code. The only bugs in existence are due to LLM slop and not the literal decades of fucking slop produced by humans without any LLM assistance. It's so fucking tired at this point. They will never be able to admit that current day LLMs are far beyond the median human programmer. Their opinions are fucking useless at this point. These idiots think The Daily WTF started with LLM code. They are basically anti-vaxxers wrt to their grasp on reality. No one should take them seriously to any degree.

Re: Google fixed more Chrome bugs in June than over the past two years, thanks to AI

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Post by rustfreeforme »

thin_carapace wrote: post #509
jeong_jeong wrote: post #502

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You make a false equivalence between being an idiot/“didn’t know what they were doing” and not knowing how to properly manage memory. Also, why do you think the devs who worked on google chrome weren’t idiots? Some of the most important and safety critical large scale projects in the history of humanity had/have manual memory management. If you think the effort of doing it correctly is not worth it for certain projec…

if you go around pulling out logic flaw arguments and then proceed to commit logic flaws yourself, it isn't a good look man. the quoted statement was "beyond most intelligent individuals" which contradicts your assertion that the argument was stated as "humans cannot write correct C". anyway I do find it ultra amusing how software engineers believe software engineering is the backbone of programming, when in reality…

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Re: Google fixed more Chrome bugs in June than over the past two years, thanks to AI

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Post by rustfreeforme »

Aeolos wrote: post #504
hn_submit wrote: post #461

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Why is everyone always referring to logic errors when pushing back against Rust? No programming language ever invented (or to be invented) will fix logic errors made by developers . Logic errors are "out of scope" for Rust or any other programming language.

The Rust type system helps you catch logic errors at compile time. Same with Haskell or Ocaml.

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Re: Google fixed more Chrome bugs in June than over the past two years, thanks to AI

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Post by rustfreeforme »

uecker wrote: post #530
vor_ wrote: post #497

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What software would that be, and how do you know there have never been memory-related bugs and vulnerabilities in it?

Basically all C programs I use, shells, editors, terminals, etc. But I do not claim that there "never has been a memory-related bug" but that it is not "riddled with" memory-related bugs, which I would expect would have manifested in at least one segfault over all these years, which I did not observe.

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Re: Google fixed more Chrome bugs in June than over the past two years, thanks to AI

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Post by elabajaba »

stodor89 wrote: post #523
gtowey wrote: post #414

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I'll await your Rust ports of Windows, Linux and MacOS then. This isn't really a fair take. Keep in mind that C/C++ has been the backbone of the most important software in the world since the 1970s. At that time we didn't have virtually unlimited compute and memory at our fingertips the way we do now. It was a huge improvement to have a high level language which still could be optimized nearly as well as assembly. It…

> I'll await your Rust ports of Windows, Linux and MacOS then. Unironically this. Like most game developers, I was extremely sceptical of Rust, based on opinions I've read on the internet. Ugliest syntax I've ever seen, and "safety" features are irrelevant and just get in my way. Compile times are glacial. Tons of direct and indirect dependencies needed. But then I got to use it professionally for a year or so, and I…

Clearly you just need to buy those team members some nice programming socks so they can finally enjoy rust.

Re: Google fixed more Chrome bugs in June than over the past two years, thanks to AI

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Post by [deleted] »

rustfreeforme wrote: post #535
thin_carapace wrote: post #509

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if you go around pulling out logic flaw arguments and then proceed to commit logic flaws yourself, it isn't a good look man. the quoted statement was "beyond most intelligent individuals" which contradicts your assertion that the argument was stated as "humans cannot write correct C". anyway I do find it ultra amusing how software engineers believe software engineering is the backbone of programming, when in reality…

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Re: Google fixed more Chrome bugs in June than over the past two years, thanks to AI

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Post by unprovable »

ayewo wrote: post #361
unprovable wrote: post #273

The real datapoint was Firefox not paying any money in Berlin's Pwn2Own competition round this May just gone. Unheard of to have nothing confirmed... they've paid out every event since 2007 (I checked). Does this mean we must move past the low-hanging fruit now? Probably... Certainly indicates some usefulness of these models.

Perhaps this was due to their red-teaming partnership [1][2] with Anthropic which they wrote about a few months earlier in March? 1: https://www.anthropic.com/news/mozilla-firefox-security 2: https://blog.mozilla.org/en/firefox/hardening-firefox-anthro... Previous discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47273854

It absolutely was. 436 (or thereabouts) critical updates on their bugtraq in April. Wild.
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