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Re: Why American ambulance rides are so expensive

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Post by Georgelemental »

DoesntMatter22 wrote: post #530
Georgelemental wrote: post #527

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There's a distinction between 911 emergency ambulance service (respond to people calling 911) and interfacility transfer service (transfer stable patients between hospitals and medical facilities). When you are an ordinary person calling 911, you can't meaningfully shop around in that emergency situation. The competition that exists is between the possible organizations you local government could contract to run the…

Again, as I keep explaining, if companies were free to compete then even 911 is not going to redirect you to a 13k ambulance service. Why would they unless they are getting payoffs. It doesn't cost anywhere near that to transport you.

The 13k from the article wasn't a 911 call, it was IFT. (Disclosure: I work for a company that competes with AMR)

Re: Why American ambulance rides are so expensive

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Post by sleight42 »

shimman wrote: post #448
sleight42 wrote: post #435

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You essentially described the Republican and Libertarian perspectives in the US. The Republicans seem to see it as immoral to potentially give a few people support they don't need even if that means that most of the people who need the support actually get it. And, instead, they believe that having an inconsistent array of private interests will somehow be more able to service an enormous population than having an or…

Sorry 'bub but the Democratic party is as much to blame as republicans. Neoliberalism has infected both parties and let us finally shed this fake reality that the democratic party is the party of labor and not corporations. Good news is that if you want the democratic party to become the party of labor, now is the absolutely best time to have a real impact in your community.

The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence.

I will tar and feather the "right" constantly. The "left", here, is somewhat better. As you say, though, neoliberalism has infected both parties.

Personally, I'll take the DSA over both. However, the population is unlikely to accept Sam's. And both political parties would sooner collude than accept the DSA as a modern inheritor of American Liberalism.

Re: Why American ambulance rides are so expensive

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Post by DoesntMatter22 »

Georgelemental wrote: post #531
DoesntMatter22 wrote: post #530

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Again, as I keep explaining, if companies were free to compete then even 911 is not going to redirect you to a 13k ambulance service. Why would they unless they are getting payoffs. It doesn't cost anywhere near that to transport you.

The 13k from the article wasn't a 911 call, it was IFT. (Disclosure: I work for a company that competes with AMR)

True, but again, if people were free to compete why would the hospital go with a 13k option. If people had any choice in the matter, which many times they don't due to regulations, then they would pick a cheaper option.

Re: Why American ambulance rides are so expensive

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Post by refurb »

Alpha3031 wrote: post #529
refurb wrote: post #528

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I never said no one would be bankrupted by ambulance fees. We’re talking about financial ruin of the government.

I really don't see the point of playing these word games. I had assumed you meant the government, yes.

Clarifying definition is not a "word game". You seem quite uncomfortable debating the facts, and that's ok.

Re: Why American ambulance rides are so expensive

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Post by Alpha3031 »

refurb wrote: post #534
Alpha3031 wrote: post #529

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I really don't see the point of playing these word games. I had assumed you meant the government, yes.

Clarifying definition is not a "word game". You seem quite uncomfortable debating the facts, and that's ok.

I am not interested in discussing "facts" with someone who has yet to acknowledge their motte-and-bailey, which for obvious reasons does not engender a reasonable expectation that such a discussion would be approached in good faith. If you wish to make a claim, you are free to explain your preferred definitions yourself. If you don't, there is nothing to debate.

Re: Why American ambulance rides are so expensive

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Post by johnthescott »

wombat-man wrote: post #159
Spooky23 wrote: post #150

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EMTs are like veterinarians. Lovely people who get ruthlessly exploited. Benefits are garbage unless you’re a unionized public employee.

Yeah, every EMT I know was way underpaid for how crazy stressful it was. Especially considering how expensive the ride was

years ago i lived next door to a bar popular with off duty emts. interesting, to say the least.
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