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Re: Israeli firm BlackCore suspected of meddling in New York and Scotland votes

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Post by ImPostingOnHN »

FunnyUsername wrote: post #526
ImPostingOnHN wrote: post #522

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Sorry, but none of your personal restrictions on type and style of evidence are pertinent to the matter at hand (and are awfully cherry-picked). israeli ideological wishes of destroying Palestine, Lebanon, Iran, etc are pretty much in the open, no need to try to weasel around it. Heck, israel doesn't even recognize Palestine's right to exist in the first place.

What would recognizing "Palestine's right to exist" look like? They proposed the creation of a Palestinian state several times; what more would you expect? > israeli ideological wishes of destroying Palestine, Lebanon, Iran, etc are pretty much in the open This is pretty ironic considering that Iran, Hamas and Hezbollah are all quite explicit about their ambitions of wiping out Israel, while the reverse isn't true at…

> They proposed the creation of a Palestinian state several times; what more would you expect?

The Palestinian state already exists, so the least they could do is recognize its right to exist, which is equal in every way to israel's. That is to say: if israel has an unconditional right to exist, then Palestine's right to exist is equally unconditional. Likewise, if israel can place conditions on Palestine's existence, then Palestine has equal rights to place conditions on israel's existence.

> Iran, Hamas and Hezbollah are all quite explicit about their ambitions of wiping out Israel

This is pretty ironic considering that israel is pretty explicit about their ambitions of wiping out Palestinians and taking their land, as well as destroying Palestine, Lebanon, and Iran.

> Israelis have no desire to kill Persians a thousand kilometers away

This unsupported claim is immediately belied by their actions (they initiated a war in which they are killing persians a thousand kilometers away), and also ignores that they are also killing Palestinian and Lebanese people.

Re: Israeli firm BlackCore suspected of meddling in New York and Scotland votes

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Post by cogman10 »

KennyBlanken wrote: post #359
afavour wrote: post #296

As a New Yorker this doesn’t shock me too much. The level of “Mamdani is an anti-Semite” sentiment I saw online (Reddit particularly) felt truly hysterical. And wasn’t matched by any equivalent in the offline world.

The NY Times coverage of him is abhorrently biased. Every time I see an article about him, the headline, summary, and article itself feel like the editors were desperate to paint him in as negative a light as possible. The man has almost overnight gotten the city to start doing things that benefit the general public, nto just the wealthy. Actions on bike lane projects that were stalled and actually taking action agai…

Because he represents a huge threat to power.

He's showing that government can be efficient. It can help people. People can actually like their local governments. And that is completely counter to the politics of these rags and their funders.

They want to talk about how government can't work, will always be inefficient, and how it must be cut.

The people who own these papers know that the obvious solution to a lot of societal problems is "tax the rich, build out social programs" and they desperately don't want that message to get out. It makes it a lot harder to setup gig and gambling economies.

Re: Israeli firm BlackCore suspected of meddling in New York and Scotland votes

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Post by woodruffw »

nixon_why69 wrote: post #425
pjc50 wrote: post #409

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I'm not sure in the Platner case why the supposed progressive cause can't find someone without a Nazi tattoo. I'm not sure what the alleged benefits of Platner are either. Mamdani has been amazing, but what is Platner for?

It's not like it's a swastika, it was a skull and crossbones that turns out to have been used by the SS (I think?). I had no idea that particular image was nazi-related and I don't think most other people would have either. As far as "mistakes made by marines on shore leave" go it's pretty mild. Honestly his more recent scandals are more concerning as far as character. Platner's upside is being a senator that's not f…

I would expect anybody who graduated with a 4 year degree in the US to be able to recognize a totenkopf. It's probably the third most well-known Nazi symbol, and is almost certainly present in any textbook or museum about WWII (besides being a symbol is fictional media about Nazi Germany).

However, I think this is beside the point. The more relevant questions are (1) whether Platner knew what it was, and (2) whether an informed voter should want someone who doesn't know the meaning of the things they get tattooed on their body. Authentic or not, (2) demonstrates a lack of good judgement to me.

(Separately, having been to that part of part of Slavic southern Europe, it is inconceivable that any tattoo parlor that would give you a totenkopf tattoo is not plastered in other Nazi and far-right iconography. You would need to actively look past all of the other Nazi stuff and assume that the skull is the one thing that doesn't have some additional meaning.)

Re: Israeli firm BlackCore suspected of meddling in New York and Scotland votes

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Post by rendall »

gatlin wrote: post #182
inglor wrote: post #37

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Israeli here - I'll try to write this the least political as I can since I on one hand disagree strongly with the government and on the other my experience has been getting antisemstic (yes, not anti-zionist) comments whenever this gets discussed a lot (and likely downvotes but who cares I've been here 10 years and have more fake points than is important anyway). Israel has several "cores" of technology. The military…

I never understood this: the Palestinian children whose family and limbs are torn from them for Israeli sport are also Semites. It seems like the ultimate erasure to claim "antisemitic" for only Jews.

Semitic does not refer to people nor to a race of people, but to a family of languages including Hebrew and Arabic. The man who coined the term "antisemitic" used it to describe his own views which were specifically anti-Jew.

The only erasure is the attempt to diffuse the term to include Akkadians, Amharics, Carthaginians, Phoenicians, Black Israelites, adherents to the Nation of Islam, all 1.3 billions Arabs, what-have-you, when it always and only ever referred to anti-Jew hatred.

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Post by strictnein »

warumdarum wrote: post #432
strictnein wrote: post #387

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Slowly? The islamo supremacists pushed them out of the whole middle east. Look at minorities map of that region over time. Thats the true horror show. The alewites murdered as revenge for assad, the druse attacked that dont make it into the newspapers, the yesidi assaulted by ISIS and driven into the aame wind the want to drive the yehudis into.

I feel like you're misreading what I wrote. I was saying the Jews slowly returned to the region throughout the first half of the 20th century.

The person I was responding to stated that they all just magically appeared there "75 years ago" (not sure quite what date they're referring to with this), but that simply wasn't the case.

Re: Israeli firm BlackCore suspected of meddling in New York and Scotland votes

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Post by FunnyUsername »

ImPostingOnHN wrote: post #531
FunnyUsername wrote: post #526

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What would recognizing "Palestine's right to exist" look like? They proposed the creation of a Palestinian state several times; what more would you expect? > israeli ideological wishes of destroying Palestine, Lebanon, Iran, etc are pretty much in the open This is pretty ironic considering that Iran, Hamas and Hezbollah are all quite explicit about their ambitions of wiping out Israel, while the reverse isn't true at…

> They proposed the creation of a Palestinian state several times; what more would you expect? The Palestinian state already exists, so the least they could do is recognize its right to exist, which is equal in every way to israel's. That is to say: if israel has an unconditional right to exist, then Palestine's right to exist is equally unconditional. Likewise, if israel can place conditions on Palestine's existence…

> The Palestinian state already exists, so the least they could do is recognize its right to exist

There exists a national identity, but the organization that claims to be its government does not enjoy popular support, and more importantly, has never really controlled the territory that it aspires to govern.

> This is pretty ironic considering that israel is pretty explicit about their ambitions of wiping out Palestinians and taking their land, as well as destroying Palestine, Lebanon, and Iran.

This is false; there's absolutely nothing resembling Iran's, Hamas' or Hezbollah's clear, explicit goals of destroying Israel.

> they initiated a war

This perspective only makes sense if we pretend that proxy warfare doesn't count. Once we acknowledge the fact that Iran funded, armed and trained multiple terrorist groups specifically to attack Israel for years, it becomes very clear who started the Israel-Iran conflict.

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Post by dstanko »

WickyNilliams wrote: post #455
nixon_why69 wrote: post #425

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It's not like it's a swastika, it was a skull and crossbones that turns out to have been used by the SS (I think?). I had no idea that particular image was nazi-related and I don't think most other people would have either. As far as "mistakes made by marines on shore leave" go it's pretty mild. Honestly his more recent scandals are more concerning as far as character. Platner's upside is being a senator that's not f…

It's an extremely well known nazi symbol. Probably second behind the swastika itself. There's even that famous "are we the baddies" meme, which uses that symbol as a central pillar of the gag.

Like Musk's salute

Re: Israeli firm BlackCore suspected of meddling in New York and Scotland votes

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Post by alchemism »

Arodex wrote: post #509
alchemism wrote: post #508

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Fear not: “As you can all probably tell, I got a lot of criticisms about the way this government functions. But in order for us to make it functional, we’re gonna have to do stuff,” Platner said. “And you can’t just go down there and be John Fetterman and ... just sort of be an a*hole.” Source: https://nebraska.tv/news/nation-world/graham-platner-calls-p...

Talk is cheap. Platner has already shown he wouldn't uphold the vow he made to his wife. I start with the assumption he will break his word.

Still better than the half-brained man who loves Israel above all else.

Re: Israeli firm BlackCore suspected of meddling in New York and Scotland votes

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Post by nailer »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #510
nailer wrote: post #483

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Anyone that’s been reporting the protests and attacks from all sides of politics. Do you think it’s all elaborate fakes to trick you?

> you think it’s all elaborate fakes to trick you? The fact content and provocativeness of the reporting has varied wildly from source to source, and in particular, between the British tabloid press, on one hand, and British institutional press (and international press), on the other hand.

Not really: some choose to show the behaviour and translate the Arabic, others don't because "Pro Palestinian" marches inevitably end up revealing many of their participants openly support Hamas.
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