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Re: DuckDuckGo search saw 28% more visits after Google said people love AI mode

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Post by liampulles »

trvz wrote: post #488
liampulles wrote: post #477

Google's Search and its AI result can alternatively help or hinder me, I find. If I'm looking for a relatively straightforward and simple piece of information quickly (e.g. "wooden arch mirror stores linden") then the AI summary can be useful, because I don't need more than surface level info. If I intend to analyze and understand something (e.g. "developer API issues Zoho Thrive"), then the AI summary and the genera…

I feel like the second scenario was never good with Google. You had to go through several search results describing other problems, and there was a high chance you still didn't find anything relating to yours; and then, it wasn't guaranteed that a years-old problem got fixed. If I have an issue with my Mac, seeing an Apple Discussions result at the top readies me for disappointment. Meanwhile, I've found a normal cha…

My usecase would be investigating a potential integration - I want to go and see everyone's comments on the websites themselves. I'm not looking for an answer - I don't know the question - I'm looking for understanding.

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Post by goosejuice »

cogogo wrote: post #442
goosejuice wrote: post #365

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In terms of temp and time surely if you know enough to judge it's correctness, you would not need it in the first place? Code correctness is rather objective and easily testable. Cooking is rather subjective and only testable with great effort and time. I just checked 4 models on a 4lb pork shoulder in an oven. Flash was super off, suggesting you could pull at 145-150F for a sliced roast. Yeah, you could and it would…

I recently roasted a 5lb leg of lamb. Temp was pretty obvious but I had never cooked meat this way so an idea on time is really useful. Google search is a disaster for this kind of question. And I guess I have never encountered a good general cook book that I feel comfortable building off of.

I think all the science of cooking ones are a good bet for generalist knowledge. Some of the more textbook like ones as well. The food lab and on food and cooking stand out, but there are many others. I'm not sure I'd classify them as cookbooks.

Food lab, for example, covers buying storing and cooking lamb + a guide for a 5-7lb boneless leg across 5 or so pages. Kenji goes through great lengths to build intuition. I'm sure larousse, which is more of an encyclopedia, covers lamb quite extensively but it's probably more terse.

The internet can be an excellent source, but like most things it depends on who is writing it down.

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Post by LtWorf »

DiogenesKynikos wrote: post #493
LtWorf wrote: post #449

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The startup where I worked had 1 million downloads (which is much less), but how many of those were using it daily vs trying it for 30 minutes and forgetting about it? Less than 10% in our case :)

1 billion downloads, even if only 10% of those are active users, is a massive number. Heck, I haven't even downloaded the ChatGPT app, but I use their website all the time. AI use has taken off, and a large fraction of the population is using it regularly, if their own accord.

Yep, the free tier. Will they pay for it or stick around once it becomes more ads than anything else?

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Post by godelski »

monkpit wrote: post #388
godelski wrote: post #350

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> but Search is still the consumer facing product that brings people to Google and keeps them there. And let's not forget, these are the same people that when searching for "eBay" will put an ad at the top of the results, linking to eBay, and then place eBay as the top search result. I've found it hilarious that every single search engine does the same thing. You can do it even in Apple's App Store too. (Not seeing t…

This is not done by the search engine - eBay purposely bids to be the top ad for the search term “eBay”. It’s called cannibalization. They’re more willing to pay for the impression and potential click through than they are willing to give up the ad space to a competitor.

  > This is not done by the search engine - eBay purposely bids
Bullshit. The bidding doesn't happen without the search engine. It is the choice in the search engine design, and how it incorporates bidding that creates the issue. The bidding can't exist without the search engine, but the search engine can exist without the bidding.

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Post by nik282000 »

account42 wrote: post #416
wsc981 wrote: post #364

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> The AI product rollouts in the last two years have been some of the most aggressive and user hostile product rollouts in my entire life. I’m getting extremely annoyed by the Base44 ads I see on YouTube every other video. First I pressed skip all the time, but the ads keep popping up. So now, every time I see it, I click on the ad and then immediately close the site. At least I can make their aggressive ad strategy…

I can't fathom why anyone would still willingly watch ads when there are so many ways to block them online.

Up until about 2019, I did not block ads. I felt that the ads a site or service chooses to run was a pretty good way to gauge whether I wanted to continue to use that site or service, and ads are what cover the operating costs.

Over 20 years I got to watch a HUGE change in the ecosystem of advertising, starting with static imaged baked right into the page and transparent pop-overs at the bottom of YouTube videos. If an operator used horrendous popups, un-muetable audio, or other adversarial tactics I would generally just not use them, the internet is a big place, I can shop around.

By 2019 it got to the point that nearly every operator was using ads so large and offensive that nearly every website was unusable. Even YouTube had moved to multiple, sequential, un-skippable, mid-roll ads that made the viewing experience worse than cable. I installed a browser extension and set up a pihole.

I do however feel like this leaves things broken. There are very obvious holes in pages that look like some developer spammed line breaks randomly throughout the page. If operators moved back to static images or animated banners I would honestly prefer it to the disjointed look you get with no ads at all.

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Post by tardedmeme »

godelski wrote: post #501
tardedmeme wrote: post #452

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Why would Google give themselves less money?

Let me repeat myself >>>> When making more money requires degrading the product you know we've fucked up

That just sounds like business to me. You do whatever makes money.

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Post by neltnerb »

DiogenesKynikos wrote: post #396
neltnerb wrote: post #370

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> I wonder how many in that poll have a negative sentiment about AI, yet are also heavy users. There seems to be some kind of disconnect going on? Being a heavy user seems like it'd create a lot of resentment if you don't actually enjoy doing it. If you have used a tool for years and years and suddenly it shoves in a bunch of AI, like Duolingo or Google, are you a heavy user who may well dislike the results? I have t…

ChatGPT has been downloaded >1 billion times on the Android PlayStore. AI is incredibly popular. People have all sorts of concerns about how AI will change society, but that's precisely because it's so useful for so many things. If it were useless or just a fad, there would be no reason to worry.

My point was that using something heavily means you have an informed opinion about hating it. Hating something you have never tried is way weirder.

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Post by oliculipolicula »

PaulHoule wrote: post #524
shimman wrote: post #520

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The entire purpose of people like Ezra Klein, Derek Thomas, and the elite journalist + consultant establishment is to simply preserve the neoliberal order and make sure any questions regarding it are confined in a box they defined where the outcomes never address material needs of the people.

I think comparing Klein and Thompson is like comparing Chess and Tic-Tac-Toe. At the very least Klein patiently reminds Jewish people that they really can be the baddies if they choose to be.

Lol. Disregarding risk of bringing Chess to TTT's level, it's bc Klein seems to have a broader actually inclusive self-identity. so usually, when he reminds, he is also reminding himself..
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