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Green card seekers must leave U.S. to apply, Trump administration says

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This administration has made it clear in no uncertain words or actions. They don’t want immigrants. And if you think this is bad policy, please stop voting for them. Please vote for the alternative candidates. This is the easiest way to fix this nonsense.

Re: Green card seekers must leave U.S. to apply, Trump administration says

#532

I received my green card in 2023 and I have mixed emotions. On one hand, I'm so relieved that I have been able to dodge everything that the administration has been throwing at immigrant (legal and illegal alike), trying to see what sticks, like mass deportations, border wall expansion, visa restrictions, asylum crackdown, H-1B cuts, and chain Migration Ban. On the other hand, we cannot apply for citizenship for 3 mor…

> me and my wife have been in the US for combined 25+ years, and paid over $100,000 in Sounds like you may be a good candidate for Trump's gold card. I'm being fecitious of course, but I'm just pointing out that thinking of citizenship worthiness in monetary terms is something the president has already considered.

i’m fairly confident the gold card is the only kind of immigration they want to encourage now. you either pay up or go home and cross your fingers

Re: Green card seekers must leave U.S. to apply, Trump administration says

#533

This is insane. I cannot fathom how I, nor educated and talented people I know, could have possibly stayed in the US back in the day if this requirement had been in place then. Applying for a greencard while working on an H, J or O-class visa is extremely common. Far from a loophole, applying from inside the US is the only reasonable way to apply for a greencard. Depending on the country of origin, there may not even…

These are all non-immigrant visa classes. The understanding is that you are temporarily immigrating to the United States. Why should it be surprising then that it is hard to become a permanent resident/immigrant if you explicitly came on a non-immigrant visa?

I don’t see a carve out for spousal or family reunification applications.

Those weren’t services for the benefit of the immigrant. Those were a service to the US citizen who sponsored them and had to sign up to be on the hook to take care of their welfare.

The government was very clear to my spouse that she could divorce me the second her application was granted and I was still on the hook for any welfare she may end up needing.

This is just being anti immigrant. The same way they talk about illegal aliens and then you find out they really mean legal asylum seekers because they don’t like the process.

Or when they use the phrase Heritage Americans to discount recent immigrants.

Or when they just straight up say we have too much legal immigration.

The only surprising thing about this change in policy to me is that they are still keeping a veneer of not being racist on it, instead of just being as open as they have in other cases.

Re: Green card seekers must leave U.S. to apply, Trump administration says

#534

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> the kids must first get visas to their parent's countries In this situation, wouldn't the kids already have citizenship of their parents countries?

No? If you're born in the US you have US citizenship, you're American. You don't just magically get citizenship for your parents home country, at least not for most countries.

Also, in some cases, you may automatically lose your original nationality if you seek an additional one (Spain comes to mind; though in their case you'd need to manually request not to lose your nationality to keep it within a certain time period, IIRC).

Re: Green card seekers must leave U.S. to apply, Trump administration says

#535

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These are all non-immigrant visa classes. The understanding is that you are temporarily immigrating to the United States. Why should it be surprising then that it is hard to become a permanent resident/immigrant if you explicitly came on a non-immigrant visa?

All I hear is that there's a subset of people that don't want immigrants at all. And for some godforsaken reason they got hold of the executive, legislative and supreme court

We’re going for round 3 of jingoist isolationist Americans not understanding how the world or their own culture and government works.

Wonder if we’ll get a third world war that we stay out of until halfway through and then pile on at the end.

Re: Green card seekers must leave U.S. to apply, Trump administration says

#536

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> the kids must first get visas to their parent's countries In this situation, wouldn't the kids already have citizenship of their parents countries?

No? If you're born in the US you have US citizenship, you're American. You don't just magically get citizenship for your parents home country, at least not for most countries.

The whole concept of getting citizenship where you're born is mostly an American concept. Though, if you do get born in a place where you get citizenship based on location alone, your parents will probably need to figure out a lot of paperwork to sort things out.

Re: Green card seekers must leave U.S. to apply, Trump administration says

#537

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> and paid over $100,000 in taxes last year alone Genuinely curious, what does taxes have to do with it? Everyone pays taxes, legal or illegal in some form. I don’t think paying your dues should make you more likely to get through the pipeline. After all, you paid those taxes because you made good money, which is what people come here for.

I think the point is that they are contributing to the US, and were the best option for their employer, and are supporting their communities, etc. All things that we should be supporting if we are indeed wishing our nation to prosper. A plurality of Americans don’t pay federal income taxes, so we’re essentially turning away someone who is building up our country.

Someone else would have taken that job maybe for a higher salary.

Re: Green card seekers must leave U.S. to apply, Trump administration says

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This is the part that is the wildest to me. The current system seems to generate a collection of second-class citizens: people we openly rely on for labor but that have no recourse if they're exploited and no regulatory protections such as minimum wage (even though I argue against min wage, if we're going to have it, have it!). My personal preference would be to allow nearly unlimited legal immigration but strip welf…

> The current system seems to generate a collection of second-class citizens Poor choice of words. Illegals are not citizens. That's the whole point. > have no recourse if they're exploited The recourse is to go back. In the era when you could just immigrate to the US just by getting on a boat (before the Immigration Act of 1924), about 1/3 of immigrants went back to their home country if they did not make it in the…

There are very few Leftists in the USA, and even fewer in government. Who are you talking about?

Re: Green card seekers must leave U.S. to apply, Trump administration says

#539
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This is to close the common loophole where people would fly into the US on an ESTA, B-2 or another temporary visa "without immigration intent" (fraud) and then marry a US Citizen and adjust status. On visa forums this method is commonly discussed. By entering on an ESTA/B-2 with the intent to marry a US Citizen, they're committing immigration fraud, inherently. You would be denied entry at the border if you admitted…

Holy shit why is this comment buried?! This is exactly the purpose.

Re: Green card seekers must leave U.S. to apply, Trump administration says

#540

I received my green card in 2023 and I have mixed emotions. On one hand, I'm so relieved that I have been able to dodge everything that the administration has been throwing at immigrant (legal and illegal alike), trying to see what sticks, like mass deportations, border wall expansion, visa restrictions, asylum crackdown, H-1B cuts, and chain Migration Ban. On the other hand, we cannot apply for citizenship for 3 mor…

Not entirely safe even if you naturalize as they are now making noise about stripping citizenship[1]

[1] https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/trump-administr...

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