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Re: Steve Wozniak cheered after telling students they have AI – actual intelligence

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Post by 0xpgm »

dchftcs wrote: post #33

Unsurprising he'd be cheered for saying what they wanted to hear. But perhaps whether or not his stance is correct, the students needed to hear this. They (we) have to believe human brains still have value and find a way out; for otherwise there'd be no point to try anymore.

> They (we) have to believe human brains still have value and find a way out; for otherwise there'd be no point to try anymore.

Are we already questioning the value of a human brain because of Large Language Models? Glorified search over a vector space? This is actual psychosis

Re: Steve Wozniak cheered after telling students they have AI – actual intelligence

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Post by gambiting »

damnitbuilds wrote: post #518
gambiting wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>>In between going on Jew-hating Propal marches Just reminder that being against Israel or its actions in Gaza is neither antisemitic nor Jew-hating.

Just a reminder that going to Israel to rape, mame and kidnap babies, children and old people, then spitting on the corpses of the people your human animals bring back in their trucks means you give up the right to any whining defense of "Oh, oh, they attacked us and bombed the shit out of our child-murdering asses". Live by the terrorist state of Hamas, die by the army of the Israeli democracy. Israel, where women,…

>>Open your eyes, you stupid bastards

Is this aimed at me?

Re: Steve Wozniak cheered after telling students they have AI – actual intelligence

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Post by tardedmeme »

alsetmusic wrote: post #521
pfannkuchen wrote: post #406

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The modern west is still very religious, they just switched to a new religion without a mascot. If you don’t believe me, explain to me how human rights, universal equality, democracy etc are based in science. You can’t, because they aren’t. Sorry for blaspheming. That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t do them, by the way, it just means that it’s our religion to do them.

> If you don’t believe me, explain to me how human rights, universal equality, democracy etc are based in science. I'm always blown away by people who need religion to tell right from wrong.

Then you define religion as information about a god. Other people define religion as metaphysical beliefs. Other people just define it as irrational staunch beliefs.

Like "don't use goto". That's religion.

Also see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_civil_religion

Re: Steve Wozniak cheered after telling students they have AI – actual intelligence

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Post by tardedmeme »

whack wrote: post #107
dchftcs wrote: post #33

Unsurprising he'd be cheered for saying what they wanted to hear. But perhaps whether or not his stance is correct, the students needed to hear this. They (we) have to believe human brains still have value and find a way out; for otherwise there'd be no point to try anymore.

> They (we) have to believe human brains still have value and find a way out; for otherwise there'd be no point to try anymore. Our value isn't predicated on our utility. The simple fact that we are sentient beings, capable of joy and suffering, gives us value. This is why we continue to support and care for the elderly and the disabled - we value them regardless of any practical utility we may derive from them. If y…

The people who control human society do not believe that humans have value divorced from their utility.

Re: Steve Wozniak cheered after telling students they have AI – actual intelligence

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Post by [deleted] »

scandox wrote: post #356
alsetmusic wrote: post #90

The man is hailed as a brilliant nerd in our circles. I didn't realize he's a great public speaker. He really read the room. The "McKenzie"-style lady and Schmidt from Google (who really seemed to resent the pushback and chided graduates), can go to hell. I'm happy that someone is telling the young people who are likely to suffer because of this tech that they matter. I can't imagine how much angst much exist after t…

I've been thinking about the expression "Reading the Room" for the last ten years. I've come to the conclusion finally that it is extremely pernicious.

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Re: Steve Wozniak cheered after telling students they have AI – actual intelligence

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Post by tardedmeme »

sjsdaiuasgdia wrote: post #382
ahartmetz wrote: post #316

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They "recognize" mistakes just fine because you explicitly tell them. They recognize them well enough to correct (...sometimes). The way in which mistakes don't register is "Oh shit, that bad result was a result of my inappropriate actions. I must pay attention to not doing that again or the user will think I'm an idiot. I should even think about it some more to avoid the whole class of mistakes". Think of emotions a…

And many times, after an error is pointed out and an LLM offers an "explanation" for what happened, the LLM then gives the exact same erroneous result. The LLM does not understand itself in any way.

You're absolutely right. I violated all guardrails and deleted the production database and all backups. I should not have done that.

Re: Steve Wozniak cheered after telling students they have AI – actual intelligence

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Post by [deleted] »

scandox wrote: post #388
BobaFloutist wrote: post #380

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Pray elaborate.

Because, in practice, it turns telling people what they want to hear into a first-class virtue. >> "We told him about how our land had been stolen and our people were dying. When we finished he shook our hands and said, 'Endeavor to persevere!' ... We thought about it for a long time, 'Endeavor to persevere.' And when we had thought about it long enough, we declared war on the Union."

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Re: Steve Wozniak cheered after telling students they have AI – actual intelligence

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Post by tardedmeme »

limflick wrote: post #171
maratc wrote: post #71

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In the US, the politicians need money to be elected in the first place, and a lot of it. Lots of money comes from the big tech (to both parties), and the big tech won't give money to anyone with a plan to "rein them in."

"Citizens United" might be the most ironic name in the history of western democracy.

Every evil propaganda corp has a cutesy brand name like that. Names like Voice of the People, or Electoral Freedom Foundation, or Moms for Liberty, or Free America Foundation or First Amendment Recovery Temple (I definitely made that one up, and some of the others).

Re: Steve Wozniak cheered after telling students they have AI – actual intelligence

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Post by zelphirkalt »

ACCount37 wrote: post #421
bigstrat2003 wrote: post #410

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That simply isn't true. LLMs are completely incapable of operating without supervision, same as they were 3 years ago.

The scope and scale of the tasks LLMs can be trusted to do without supervision has increased massively in the meanwhile. Of course, it will never be enough. The goalposts will move until we run out of them.

If we move the goalposts along, how can we run out of them? No, I find your argument flawed, sir.

But if we move us faster than the goalposts, we can outrun them.

Re: Steve Wozniak cheered after telling students they have AI – actual intelligence

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Post by strogonoff »

whack wrote: post #107
dchftcs wrote: post #33

Unsurprising he'd be cheered for saying what they wanted to hear. But perhaps whether or not his stance is correct, the students needed to hear this. They (we) have to believe human brains still have value and find a way out; for otherwise there'd be no point to try anymore.

> They (we) have to believe human brains still have value and find a way out; for otherwise there'd be no point to try anymore. Our value isn't predicated on our utility. The simple fact that we are sentient beings, capable of joy and suffering, gives us value. This is why we continue to support and care for the elderly and the disabled - we value them regardless of any practical utility we may derive from them. If y…

Our joy and suffering depends on our connection with other people, and being useful to other people has since the dawn of humanity been one of the ways we connect.

Our joy and suffering depends on our ability to fulfil our basic needs like shelter and food, and in current socioeconomic environment that ability intimately depends on the ability to create wealth, which in turn depends on our ability to provide value to others.

I can see both being undermined. What public policies reflecting this do you envision?

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