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Shunning AI is the human choice

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Post by coldtea »

NiloCK wrote: post #343
coldtea wrote: post #296

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> This technology is going to drive some incredible discoveries in all of STEM. We could do without them.

Maybe you're sitting pretty right now, but try posting this from your deathbed, or that of your kid. The lack of compassion that people display here is shocking to me. "Don't automate science, because there are junior scientists could be denied the thrill of specific discoveries." Cancer patients are not accessories to anyone's self-actualization.

Maybe you're sitting pretty right now, but try posting this from your deathbed, or that of your kid, caused by the "advances"

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Post by coldtea »

jesse_dot_id wrote: post #340
coldtea wrote: post #296

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> This technology is going to drive some incredible discoveries in all of STEM. We could do without them.

We could probably do without computers too, but that would be idiotic because they speed everything up. There's a good chance that the next pandemic is swatted down by LLM-powered vaccine development much faster than COVID-19 was. "We could do without them." is not a great take when it comes to people dying prematurely. In fact, I would bet that this particular technology will lead to climate change solutions eventua…

>We could probably do without computers too, but that would be idiotic because they speed everything up

That they "speed everything up" would be a great reason to get rid of them or constrain them.

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Post by coldtea »

joquarky wrote: post #338
coldtea wrote: post #296

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> This technology is going to drive some incredible discoveries in all of STEM. We could do without them.

I guess you don't know anyone who has cancer.

I know plenty who have cancer because of STEM "advances". No shortage of STEM conveniences being carcinogenic.

But the argument is always the small percentage that get medical treatment. Never the millions who get sick.

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Post by inglor_cz »

subjectsigma wrote: post #509
inglor_cz wrote: post #329

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I agree with you - I am already alarmed at how many people are now so openly hateful. As if they were waiting for a social licence to show their hearts and minds openly. It is in vogue to hate AI now, so they loudly proclaim their hate towards it, because it is widely acceptable. I will always be a little wary around those people who now profess their hate towards AI aloud. Who knows what and whom they hate with the…

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I am 47 and I indeed voted in many elections.

I still insist on my opinion that hatefulness tends to be a generalized condition of human soul, and that it can be re-chanelled to a different target quite quickly. I yet have to meet a very selective hater who would otherwise be a kind person.

(Absolute extremes like "liberating Bergen-Belsen" do not count, but the vast majority of people living in the West has never encountered anything as extreme in their lives.)

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Post by ofrzeta »

velcrovan wrote: post #59

Hating "AI" in the abstract is like hating public-key encryption. Ultimately it's just math. Once the math is out there, there's no going back. Instead of futilely demanding technology to go away, it would be better to focus on organizing together for better outcomes. https://opcraft.co/writing/2026/04/getting-the-good-ai-futur...

It's not "just math". It's also operating huge datacenters. You can do this or not.

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Post by fmkamchatka »

BosunoB wrote: post #93

Counterpoint: Work sucks. Of the billions of workers on the planet, the number of them who love their job and would truly be doing it even if they didn't need to in order to survive is probably in the low single digits. Hating work is good, wanting it to all be automated is good. It is a pro-human flourishing stance, whereas keeping the majority of humanity laboring in jobs they dislike just to survive is against hum…

I’m not sure work sucks (at least as a general statement). Work is a way to be useful in the society and feeling useful is valuable for our wellbeing. I don’t think people who stop working and spend their days laying on the beach feel better.

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Post by NietTim »

subjectsigma wrote: post #509
inglor_cz wrote: post #329

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I agree with you - I am already alarmed at how many people are now so openly hateful. As if they were waiting for a social licence to show their hearts and minds openly. It is in vogue to hate AI now, so they loudly proclaim their hate towards it, because it is widely acceptable. I will always be a little wary around those people who now profess their hate towards AI aloud. Who knows what and whom they hate with the…

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Post by moffkalast »

xigoi wrote: post #459
moffkalast wrote: post #233

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Piracy is not theft. If something can be copied infinite times without any effort with broad societal benefit, then it's a moral imperative to do so. The opposite is gatekeeping in the name of monopolistic profiteering and the wealth concentration that the modern broken IP law enforces. Besides, Anthropic did allegedly buy the ebooks they trained on so it's not like they even did that. It goes both ways though, they…

> If something can be copied infinite times Except it can’t. LLM crawlers DDoS websites so that no one else can access them.

Not with Anubis they don't. You can't leave your front door unlocked, and then get mad when people go in?

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Post by sanjananb »

velcrovan wrote: post #59

Hating "AI" in the abstract is like hating public-key encryption. Ultimately it's just math. Once the math is out there, there's no going back. Instead of futilely demanding technology to go away, it would be better to focus on organizing together for better outcomes. https://opcraft.co/writing/2026/04/getting-the-good-ai-futur...

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Post by xigoi »

moffkalast wrote: post #538
xigoi wrote: post #459

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> If something can be copied infinite times Except it can’t. LLM crawlers DDoS websites so that no one else can access them.

Not with Anubis they don't. You can't leave your front door unlocked, and then get mad when people go in?

Terrible analogy. I leave my house locked because I don’t want people to go in. On a website, I want people to read it, but without disturbing others. A better analogy would be that I open a small art gallery with free entrance and someone sends in an army that barely fits in the room.

Anubis is just a patch that shouldn’t be needed; it annoys regular visitors and prevents people on low-powered devices or with JavaScript disabled from reading the site at all.

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