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Re: Tennessee man jailed 37 days for Trump meme wins settlement after lawsuit

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Post by wat10000 »

jrflowers wrote: post #529
wat10000 wrote: post #526

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So if I proposed a law banning pilot uniforms, you’d say a reasonable response would be “Are we expecting jailtime for doing their job?”

What are you talking about? You asked “how is it the police’s job to lie to me?” and got an answer (it is). It’s not a hypothetical that relies on a thought experiment, it’s just a true statement. You can’t imagine your way into a world where it’s not the police’s job to lie to you.

Lying is not an inherent part of the job nor is it required by all employers. It is not, in fact, the police's job to lie to me, any more than it's a pilot's job to wear a uniform.

Making it illegal for police to lie on the job would have the effect of many police no longer lying on the job, rather than putting all police in jail.

Re: Tennessee man jailed 37 days for Trump meme wins settlement after lawsuit

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Post by bmitch3020 »

IAmBroom wrote: post #434
bmitch3020 wrote: post #313

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The sheriff isn't paying the settlement, the local government is (just about always does). The settlement comes with the agreement to drop the lawsuit.

Cite?

The settlement agreement was linked from the original post from FIRE: https://www.fire.org/research-learn/settlement-agreement-and...

Re: Tennessee man jailed 37 days for Trump meme wins settlement after lawsuit

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Post by sleepybrett »

freediddy wrote: post #155

The fact that taxpayers and not the police themselves have to pay the settlement is the worst part of this. Every settlement against the police should be taken from their pension fund. This is something I've been advocating for decades now, because it creates an incentive not to do things like this. Right now, good cops don't patrol bad cops because it won't affect them. By aligning the incentives right, it will mean…

Police officers should have to carry some kind of malpractice insurance. If they can't get insurance because they keep fucking up then they should find a new career.

Re: Tennessee man jailed 37 days for Trump meme wins settlement after lawsuit

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Post by sleepybrett »

worik wrote: post #390
WillAdams wrote: post #249

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And insurers doing their due diligence and charging based on potential for liability would go a long way to mitigating abuses. Best solution would be to simply require licensing and conduct standards to be a police professional similar to that required for Registered Nurses.

Is privatising ethics enforcement like this a good idea?

versus what we have now, no or minimal ethics enforcement.

We had a police officer run down a young lady in a crosswalk while responding to a non-critical call without running lights or sirens. The officer was eventually fired but only because body camera evidence from the vice president of the officers guild surfaced where he was mocking the victim.

Ended up costing seattle taxpayers $29m.

https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/family-student-killed-by-sp...

Heaven and earth had to be moved in order to get the officer off the force.

Re: Tennessee man jailed 37 days for Trump meme wins settlement after lawsuit

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Post by jrflowers »

wat10000 wrote: post #531
jrflowers wrote: post #529

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What are you talking about? You asked “how is it the police’s job to lie to me?” and got an answer (it is). It’s not a hypothetical that relies on a thought experiment, it’s just a true statement. You can’t imagine your way into a world where it’s not the police’s job to lie to you.

Lying is not an inherent part of the job nor is it required by all employers. It is not, in fact, the police's job to lie to me, any more than it's a pilot's job to wear a uniform. Making it illegal for police to lie on the job would have the effect of many police no longer lying on the job, rather than putting all police in jail.

> nor is it required by all employers

Obviously lying isn’t required by all employers. Most employers aren’t the police (eg it is not the grocery clerk’s job to lie to you.) We are just talking about police, where lying to you is their job.

> Making it illegal for police to lie on the job would have the effect of many police no longer lying on the job, rather than putting all police in jail.

I still have no idea what you are talking about here. If you made something that the police do every day illegal then they wouldn’t arrest each other for doing it? That is obviously true but unrelated to the fact that it’s the police’s job to lie to you. Or it almost seems like you’re trying to say “if cops couldn’t lie to you then their job description would be different than it is now”, but that would just be another way of you saying that it is their job to lie to you?

I’m not sure what this fixation on hypothetical police that don’t lie to you is about, but again, saying “I am picturing imaginary police in my head where it’s not their job to lie to you” does not refute the fact that it’s the police’s job to lie to you, it affirms that it’s their job to lie to you. “All of my contrary evidence exists as stuff I made up in my head” is generally a supportive statement to any notion!

Re: Tennessee man jailed 37 days for Trump meme wins settlement after lawsuit

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Post by xtiansimon »

hermannj314 wrote: post #243
Aurornis wrote: post #35

> retired Tennessee law enforcement officer Larry Bushart has won a substantial settlement from the county and sheriff behind his arrest. I did not expect to read that the victim was a retired law enforcement officer. This whole case is weird. I’m glad he won a settlement but I would like to see some actual accountability.

Most people would spend 40 days in jail for $800k. Why wouldn't police collude together to arrest one another? This feels like a free money glitch. I agree without accountability this provides a huge incentive to enrich your friends quite easily off the taxpayer.

That’s a calculus for the destitute and mentally ill seeing in a moment someone driving distracted and jumping in front of their car in hopes of getting an insurance payout. Never mind the real possibility of death or significant loss of quality of life.

Only when you have nothing left to lose. And by that time you may be known in your society as mentally ill, and lose in the court because your actions are transparent.

Re: Tennessee man jailed 37 days for Trump meme wins settlement after lawsuit

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Post by pseudalopex »

sidewndr46 wrote: post #503
pseudalopex wrote: post #479

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You meant what? The civil rights you identified were constitutional rights.

From my perspective civil rights are the constitutional rights that the government can uniquely deprive you of. For example, a jury trial. No one else can try you, so only the government can deprive you of that right. It's fairly limited in practice anyways, but it is true. The right to life, etc. anyone can deprive you of.

No. The US Civil Rights Act covered discrimination from business owners for example. And anyone could prevent you to vote or attempt coercion.

Re: Tennessee man jailed 37 days for Trump meme wins settlement after lawsuit

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Post by sleepybrett »

sleepybrett wrote: post #534
worik wrote: post #390

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is privatising ethics enforcement like this a good idea?

versus what we have now, no or minimal ethics enforcement. We had a police officer run down a young lady in a crosswalk while responding to a non-critical call without running lights or sirens. The officer was eventually fired but only because body camera evidence from the vice president of the officers guild surfaced where he was mocking the victim. Ended up costing seattle taxpayers $29m. https://www.kiro7.com/news…

... the officier is apparently suing to be let back onto the force. I guess his year long paid vacation wasn't enough severance for him.

Re: Tennessee man jailed 37 days for Trump meme wins settlement after lawsuit

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Post by BizarroLand »

freediddy wrote: post #155

The fact that taxpayers and not the police themselves have to pay the settlement is the worst part of this. Every settlement against the police should be taken from their pension fund. This is something I've been advocating for decades now, because it creates an incentive not to do things like this. Right now, good cops don't patrol bad cops because it won't affect them. By aligning the incentives right, it will mean…

I wouldn't feel too bad about that.

This is what insurance coverage is for. All cities and municipalities carry insurance to cover police brutality and overreach, so worst case their premiums go up a few tens of thousands of dollars a month for the next 20 years or so.

Re: Tennessee man jailed 37 days for Trump meme wins settlement after lawsuit

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Post by sidewndr46 »

pseudalopex wrote: post #537
sidewndr46 wrote: post #503

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From my perspective civil rights are the constitutional rights that the government can uniquely deprive you of. For example, a jury trial. No one else can try you, so only the government can deprive you of that right. It's fairly limited in practice anyways, but it is true. The right to life, etc. anyone can deprive you of.

No. The US Civil Rights Act covered discrimination from business owners for example. And anyone could prevent you to vote or attempt coercion.

Elections are not private. I don't see how someone could stop me from voting. If they do that is just kidnapping, threats of violence, etc.
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