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Re: Gmail registration now requires scanning a QR code and sending a text message

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There aren't any alternatives that let you keep you @gmail.com address.

I'm not able to continue to receive mail at the apartment I lived at a decade ago. It turns out after I stopped paying for the apartment I lost the ability to control that mailbox. This is a normal thing to happen in the physical world. We really shouldn't have such strict connections between email being a primary identifier for a user, requiring only a single one on an account, and not letting users change what they…

Is there an RFC for email to redirect email for a user no longer at that address? Not exactly like setting up mail redirection with the postal service, but similar in outcome.

e.g. a server connects to the gmail MX server, and gets a response like "example@gmail.com now found at foo@example.com"

There's probably a ton of issues with this approach, but it would make switching email providers simpler on the user-end.

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#532

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> Corporations aren’t magical entities that somehow exist outside of social obligations and can do whatever they want as long as their own terms of service permit it. Where's your support for this statement in the law?

The support is there by no constitution guaranteeing human-like rights for corporations, allowing lawmakers to restrict them however they see fit.

The rights of google's owners still apply though.

Re: Gmail registration now requires scanning a QR code and sending a text message

#533

> Supposedly, using the QR code on the smartphone triggers an SMS sent from your phone to Google in order to verify your phone number. Does anyone have a better source of information than this one forum comment from someone who thinks scanning a QR code is enough to get your phone to send a text message? EDIT: It’s just an SMS URI. It doesn’t automatically send anything, just opens a text message for you to send. Thi…

The old method was for you to receive an SMS. Because it's easy to pay a phone farm 30 cents to receive an SMS now, they're changing it to sending. Phone farms will also adapt.

Can't you spoof or hide the "from" number in SMSs in a lot of countries?

Like email, I'd expect recieving to be more secure since it uses hardware the user isn't in control of.

There are free sites offering recieve-only SMS numbers, but they're almost universally at their rate limit for most services.

Re: Gmail registration now requires scanning a QR code and sending a text message

#534

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I would say we do rely on email. But that we have not noticed any interruption.

Just to put a pin in it, hard to argue with the official history [0]. [0] https://x.com/MSFT365Status

What do you get out of pretending that every little hiccup is a global outage during work hours?

Re: Gmail registration now requires scanning a QR code and sending a text message

#535

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I'm not able to continue to receive mail at the apartment I lived at a decade ago. It turns out after I stopped paying for the apartment I lost the ability to control that mailbox. This is a normal thing to happen in the physical world. We really shouldn't have such strict connections between email being a primary identifier for a user, requiring only a single one on an account, and not letting users change what they…

Is there an RFC for email to redirect email for a user no longer at that address? Not exactly like setting up mail redirection with the postal service, but similar in outcome. e.g. a server connects to the gmail MX server, and gets a response like "example@gmail.com now found at foo@example.com" There's probably a ton of issues with this approach, but it would make switching email providers simpler on the user-end.

Most email platforms support some form of forwarding. Its not quite the same as your suggestion that's similar to an HTTP redirect but still the ability to configure your email user to just pass along those emails to another address is a common feature. These systems usually just rewrite the envelope recipient address and reprocesses the email based on that new address.

In the end though this still requires that original user to have exclusive ownership to that username in perpetuity and requires the email hoster to continue to actually host email services. It does nothing if, say, Google wanted to shut down email services on @gmail.com or start requiring paid accounts or whatever.

Re: Gmail registration now requires scanning a QR code and sending a text message

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Your response is _almost_ funny. I asserted that there is very little left-wing media today, because it is far more profitable to make media intended to enrich specific individuals. And your counter-argument was that... there is very little left-wing media today, because it has been hijacked by specific individuals who want to be enriched. Cool. Side note: your decision to claim that trump attacking something means i…

Ok so let me get this straight. According to you, the news channels that tries to make Trump administration and republicans look bad, is actually "right wing"?

Yes.

Obviously.

Re: Gmail registration now requires scanning a QR code and sending a text message

#537

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Shutting down GMail would practically amount to shutting down email. It's by far the largest email provider in the US (and probably in the world but I don't have that data). There's no other provider who could take up the slack; if it were to abruptly shut down, a lot of users would simply lose access to email altogether.

At one point AOL was the largest ISP and email provider on Earth too. If gmail died off people would just move to something else. It'd be annoying, but it wouldn't be the end of email

In the days when AOL was the largest AOL, the only people on the internet were middle class and above and the uber-nerds. The landscape has changed.

Re: Gmail registration now requires scanning a QR code and sending a text message

#538

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Just to put a pin in it, hard to argue with the official history [0]. [0] https://x.com/MSFT365Status

What do you get out of pretending that every little hiccup is a global outage during work hours?

I'm not pretending. I was literally on a trip with a friend who had a significant number of his customers in M365. He burned over a day, back in January of this year, getting things squared away. And he was saying that wasn't the first time within a month.

He also had recently gotten locked out of Google Workspace for a different customer because of a domain registration issue that put him in a deadlock where he couldn't validate the domain because he was locked out and, if I'm remembering correctly, he needed the Workspace access to validate for the changes he needed to make. It was comical and even though it was a paid for account Google was basically useless / non-responsive.

I've also, unfortunately, had to deal with a lot of M365 integrations and external tooling. The fact that changes made in those environment don't always propagate immediately (and there's not indication in the UI of when it will take place) led us to create explicit documentation about how setup in an M365 environment for our tooling could take up to 24 hours because of the inability to programmatically get status of what configuration was deployed. Mail implementations were bad, but Teams was even worse. Talk about nightmare fuel of renaming things every year, APIs that work consistently about half the time and the inability to know when a configuration change was actually applied has definitely convinced me that Microsoft doesn't care and/or doesn't know how anymore. It's "good enough" for most, but flaming garbage for those who care.

You can go to bat all you want for Microsoft, the public record doesn't lie though. And if fanboy'ism is still a thing with big tech, well... That's just embarrassing. But, hey, maybe they sign your checks?

Re: Gmail registration now requires scanning a QR code and sending a text message

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oh yes, government-run email. what could possibly go wrong

Why is this inconceivable? I don't know where you live, but the Post Office is extremely cheap and reliable around here. What drives you to pretend that states can't provide services to their people?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HealthCare.gov was not a hard problem and they struggled. Gmail tackles a hard problem that even other large tech companies struggle with.

Re: Gmail registration now requires scanning a QR code and sending a text message

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https://developers.cloudflare.com/email-service/get-started/...

That's not SMTP or other industry standard protocol, incompatible with any mail client out there (?) -- it's for sending mail from backend services, not using as personal email. Even if you make it work with some SMTP adapter, you still need external mail server as on reception side Cloudflare don't provide storage/IMAP service, only route/redirect mail. I use it (routing to Gmail, Mailgun SMTP for sending) and it wo…

Who cares bro, it aint that deep.
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