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Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

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Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

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Post by btbuildem »

jfoworjf wrote: post #5

This story is the one that finally pushed me to leave google. I moved off my ~20 year old Google account and deleted everything off their services including almost a decade of Google photos. I cancelled my Google one subscription for extra space. I'm now self hosting what I can and paying proton mail for everything else. I refuse to allow a company that will hand over data at the request of an administrative warrant…

I've built a tool that scanned my inbox, identified tiers of emails per various criteria (essentially how personal, important, unique/irreplaceable etc the information contained therin is) and built semantic search over it.

My initial motivation for this was the "account 89% full" notice, so I wanted to delete all the old junk to free up some space. But after reviewing what's in there (and I've had that account since ~2004) the opposite sentiment arose: delete everything important, unique, personal. Leave them with the junkyard of various subscriptions, newsletters, just the digital flotsam that's both ambiguous and meaningless -- perfect for appearing both legitimate and irrelevant.

Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

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Post by [deleted] »

rainbow13 wrote: post #519
normal-person wrote: post #514

He was banned from the Cornell Campus for participating in a violent demonstration, inciting violence against Jews. It's very much not clear whether he is in a legal right or not. And no other country besides Western liberal democracies would allow anything like this. Certainly many Muslim countries do not allow it. As an aside, a pro-Palestinian African is a laugh. Do you think Palestinians give the slightest damn a…

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Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

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Post by nomdep »

Forgeties79 wrote: post #506
nomdep wrote: post #502

Earlier quoted context omitted.

John Perry Barlow‘S EFF surely did, but are you sure you can trust Nicole Orze’s EFF to fight for your rights if one of your sympathies doesn’t align with current California’s sensibilities? https://www.linkedin.com/in/nicoleozer

This is just a link to her LinkedIn. I don’t understand what I’m supposed to be looking for.

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Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

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Post by btbuildem »

neya wrote: post #509

> In September 2024, Amandla Thomas-Johnson was a Ph.D. candidate studying in the U.S. on a student visa when he briefly attended a pro-Palestinian protest. Why would you go to a country for study purposes - where you explicitly tell the visa officers you're on US soil ONLY for study purposes - which is what the student visa explicitly grants you to do and then participate in a protest against the very country that g…

Author of the article is a journalist, attending a protest could very legitimately be for study purposes in his case.

Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

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Post by orochimaaru »

Jimmc414 wrote: post #479

The First Amendment applies to everyone on US soil, not just citizens. That’s settled law. The government can revoke visas for legitimate immigration violations, but it’s not allowed to use immigration machinery as a pretext to punish political expression. That’s exactly what they are doing. It looks like the courts will eventually put an end to this [0] but it won’t reverse the damage that’s already been done. I’m g…

Does the government need a reason to revoke a persons visa? First amendment or not, that is the real question. If no reason is needed then whether the first amendment applies or not is moot.

There seems to be broad discretion that the government has in revoking visas.

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Post by darthwalsh »

StanislavPetrov wrote: post #400
hgoel wrote: post #285

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I don't think "both sides" works very well when one side has been supporting the murder of citizens for exercising their free speech, calling for denaturalization of citizens for expressing the wrong opinions or being from the wrong community, openly suppressing criticism by threatening to revoke broadcast licenses and barring reporters from DoD briefings for not taking sufficiently flattering photos. I don't think a…

>I don't think "both sides" works very well when one side has been supporting the murder of citizens for exercising their free speech Obama was murdering US citizens for exercising their free speech, and their children, more than a decade ago. >But of the options currently available, one is much less bad than the other. If one person says they are going to stab 99 people and the other person says they are going to st…

So in the trolley problem, you would abstain from supporting either side? I think that's actually a choice of supporting the status quo.

Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

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Post by xethos »

SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #523
comelycomb wrote: post #513

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When did Obama create a masked gestapo that kills innocent civilians? Oh right. Never. Both siding with trump makes you look like a bot troll or worse.

As per the numbers, Obama is listed as deporting 5 million, and even gave Tom Homan a medal for his work.

I'd say the difference with the deportations under Obama (aside from deporting more people while spending less money doing it) is that he followed the law when doing so

Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

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Post by im3w1l »

foobarchu wrote: post #406
drnick1 wrote: post #133

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This. The real solution here is to keep your data, encrypted, on your own devices. The idea that everything needs to be in the cloud is absurd and naturally leads to concentration of power.

That is A solution. To be "the real solution", it needs to be within the grasp of a regular person. Self hosting your entire digital life is absolutely asking too much of the vast majority of people This is like saying the real solution to bad practices of food companies is to exclusively grow your own food, or the answer to anti-repair practices is to only build your own devices, vehicles, etc. Contractors cut corne…

Ideally, self hosting shouldn't be like building your own devices, vehicles, furniture and pipes. It should be like owning your own devices, vehicles, furniture and pipes. Go to a store exchange money and it runs itself with minimal maintenance. I'm not saying we are there, but it's clearly a state that could exist.

Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

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Post by pyrale »

oceanplexian wrote: post #493
Jimmc414 wrote: post #479

The First Amendment applies to everyone on US soil, not just citizens. That’s settled law. The government can revoke visas for legitimate immigration violations, but it’s not allowed to use immigration machinery as a pretext to punish political expression. That’s exactly what they are doing. It looks like the courts will eventually put an end to this [0] but it won’t reverse the damage that’s already been done. I’m g…

Technically incorrect, Supreme Court precedent has held that aliens are entitled to lesser First Amendment protections while seeking to enter the United States. You could be on US Soil (i.e. entering customs at an airport) and those protections don't apply. The person in question said he was in Geneva when he received the email from Google. Therefore is a non-US citizen residing outside the country entitled to 1A pro…

To condone what happens to him, you must first condone that your government lists and identifies people attending opponent meetings.

Whether the government waits for him to leave the country to violate his rights feels like a small detail in this issue.

Also, if you intend to claim that us foreigners are free targets for any abhorent behaviour of your government, maybe you should rename your bill of rights a bill of privileges.

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