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Molotov cocktail is hurled at home of Sam Altman

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From a POSIWID perspective, you are right. From a "we live in a civilized society" perspective, I can see why some people are outraged about his killing. Finally, looking at the balance sheet of his accomplishments, I can also see why the pitchfork crowd is cheering.

POSIWID?

> POSIWID?

"purpose of a system is what it does"

> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_purpose_of_a_system_is_wha...

Re: Molotov cocktail is hurled at home of Sam Altman

#532

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From a POSIWID perspective, you are right. From a "we live in a civilized society" perspective, I can see why some people are outraged about his killing. Finally, looking at the balance sheet of his accomplishments, I can also see why the pitchfork crowd is cheering.

POSIWID?

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That's because Brian Thompson was functionally a serial killer.

From a POSIWID perspective, you are right. From a "we live in a civilized society" perspective, I can see why some people are outraged about his killing. Finally, looking at the balance sheet of his accomplishments, I can also see why the pitchfork crowd is cheering.

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Re: Molotov cocktail is hurled at home of Sam Altman

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I think much the reaction to the Brian Thompson killing also seemed ok with the violence despite it happening before the events you describe, though I guess that could be an outlier.

That's because Brian Thompson was functionally a serial killer.

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Where is everyone getting their information from in this thread? It’s like everyone is talking past each other. I think AI is net-good. But every frontier lab founder has said, paraphrasing, “Things might go horribly wrong, a lot of people might lose jobs, or maybe we’ll have even better economy, and people will prosper. We can’t operate based on the former, because if our adversaries out-invent us, we’re screwed.”.…

Ok, but it still seems to me that the messaging you're describing is pretty far from the original commenter's claim of them being "giddy about taking jobs away".

Honestly, not that much different? They’re passionately selling the product with marketing that it will reduce your headcount. “Giddy about taking jobs away” is pretty apt.

But again, I still believe AI is net good. Just horribly advertised to the general populace. There’s also no appetite in preparation for potential “worst case scenario”, so it makes everything sound bad to a commoner.

Re: Molotov cocktail is hurled at home of Sam Altman

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let's take a second to think about the threat vectors here. The two obvious ones I can think of are: "AI hallucinates and tells you to put non-food into the food" and "AI hallucinates and gives you unsafe prep instructions" (e.g. "heat the chicken to an internal temperature of 110 degrees"). For both of those, it's not clear why "random recipe from an internet blog" is safer than something the AI generates. At some l…

People who do not understand or even use AI are not in a position to even begin "thinking about threat vectors". That isn't how they've come to their worldview, at all.

Yeah, it's ideological, like a religion as someone else mentioned, that's then supported ex post facto.

Re: Molotov cocktail is hurled at home of Sam Altman

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It is a bit scary how people seem to genuinely be OK with violence (see this reddit thread [0]). Is just me or does it feel like the overall "temperature" has gone up. [0] https://www.reddit.com/r/ChatGPT/comments/1shugf8/firebomb_t...

These are message boards. The obvious sentiment, that firebombing attacks are awful (perhaps cut a little bit with "the perpetrator appears to be someone deeply in need of help) is boring. This is an availability bias issue: the only sentiments that actually spool out into threads are edgy. Once you learn to spot these effects, message boards make a lot more sense and are less jarring.

Besides I think the sentiment would be very different if anyone actually got hurt.

"causing a fire to an exterior gate" doesn't lead me to believe there was any chance of real harm.

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Link, please? I 100% believe this but I'm curious about the reporting by which you discovered this

Google this and take your pick: ai decisions health insurance Also, to be clear, I don't think violence is the way to confront the oligarch sociopaths. There is clearly enough momentum to fix a lot of the monopoly / anti-consumer issues over the next 4-8 years. Assuming Trumpty Dumpty doesn't try to put our military at polling places or some other anti-democracy putinesque bullshit like that.

That’s quite the assumption.

Re: Molotov cocktail is hurled at home of Sam Altman

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It is a bit scary how people seem to genuinely be OK with violence (see this reddit thread [0]). Is just me or does it feel like the overall "temperature" has gone up. [0] https://www.reddit.com/r/ChatGPT/comments/1shugf8/firebomb_t...

Around 2014, a new political candidate entered the scene. Commenters and the news media at the time widely reported something remarkable and new about this candidate: he readily endorsed political violence and showed a continual pattern of escalation, never taking an off-ramp to lower the temperature in domestic politics. Over the years research has shown that the rhetoric of this candidate has materially contributed to political violence in the US. [0]

This candidate was later elected to office and in the time since has shown a continual pattern of endorsing violence. He has endorsed violent actions, told reactionary extremist groups to "stand back and stand by", defended state violence against protestors and immigrants, pardoned thousands of people who were convicted of political violence and an attempted insurrection, and recently started a war before threatening to destroy an entire civilization.

Yes. Yes the "temperature" has gone up. People have been talking about this WIDELY, for years now.

[0] https://www.jstor.org/stable/26940036?seq=1

Re: Molotov cocktail is hurled at home of Sam Altman

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I think more and more Americans have what C. Wright Mills called the "sociological imagination". We pour tons of effort into punishing visceral, direct violence like a stabbing or shooting. But if white collar crime is being committed that leads to the death of hundreds of thousands of people, it's rare that anyone sees jail time. Maybe you could argue the decisions of Brian Thompson made only account for maybe 10% o…

What "white collar crime" was Brian Thompson guilty of? As I understand it, he was merely the CEO of an insurance company. Nobody likes how insurance companies do business, but that doesn't make it "crime".

He didn't say "white collar crime."

He said "white collar mass murder."

The implication here is that it is wrong even though it is not currently illegal.

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