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Re: France's aircraft carrier located in real time by Le Monde through fitness app

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Post by ninalanyon »

jandrewrogers wrote: post #23

This is a common problem across militaries. It is difficult to stop soldiers from leaking their location if they have access to mobile phones and the Internet. Individual cases are usually a combination of naïveté, ignorance, and an unwillingness to be inconvenienced. It still happens in Ukraine, where immediate risk to life and limb is much more severe than this case.

Surely this is a disciplinary problem? Why is it difficult to stop? What reason is there for having a personal device linked to a public network and publishing data to a public forum when on military duty?

Re: France's aircraft carrier located in real time by Le Monde through fitness app

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Post by ninalanyon »

delis-thumbs-7e wrote: post #467

This is always Strava isn’t it? Was it Finnish security services that leaked the exacti location of the president because some of them wanted to share their runs? Why don’t militaries and security services just ban it?

It's not the service that should be banned but the hardware that connects to it. No active duty military personell should be using personal devices nor should they be able to install anything on the devices provided for them.

Re: France's aircraft carrier located in real time by Le Monde through fitness app

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Post by ninalanyon »

rtkwe wrote: post #175
SoftTalker wrote: post #111

How does the smart watch have any service out in the middle of the Med? Must be getting it from the ship, are they not firewalling outbound traffic?

Under wartime conditions they would but rules are looser out of combat so sailors can use personal devices for entertainment etc to keep morale up.

Are the sailors really such wimps that they can't go without Netflix?

Re: France's aircraft carrier located in real time by Le Monde through fitness app

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Post by ninalanyon »

adolph wrote: post #126

Along with the Strava secret base location leak, another interesting one was the ship with a contraband Starlink: As the Independence class Littoral Combat Ship USS Manchester plied the waters of the West Pacific in 2023, it had a totally unauthorized Starlink satellite internet antenna secretly installed on top of the ship by its gold crew’s chiefs. That antenna and associated WiFi network were set up without the kn…

Was anyone disrated for that quite blatant disregard for naval discipline?

Re: France's aircraft carrier located in real time by Le Monde through fitness app

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Post by ninalanyon »

m463 wrote: post #400

I remember a friend worked on a base where they disallowed cellphones. ...until there was an active shooter and they couldn't call for help. so they did away with that and started allowing phones. personally hate there are too many vested interests working against the common sense that people should own and control their devices, which could prevent nonsense.

If the military need mobile phones then surely the base budget would stretch to a few thousand Nokia 105s? After all they are only about 10 USD each.

How were such situations managed before 1990?

Re: France's aircraft carrier located in real time by Le Monde through fitness app

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Post by gzread »

ta20240528 wrote: post #495
roysting wrote: post #489

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who do you see as the “legitimate military target” in America due to America’s war of aggression on Iran? You imply it would be any military officer, anywhere, at any time, retired or not.

For active soldiers, yes - kill them, any time, anywhere. That's what "at war" means. Its not a policing operation.

This thought - of being legitimately killed at any time anywhere - should scare people. Good! If the reality of war scares you, don't start wars.

Re: France's aircraft carrier located in real time by Le Monde through fitness app

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Post by gzread »

nradov wrote: post #425
Terr_ wrote: post #422

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn't need to be anything nearly that dramatic as assassins, because economies of scale both lower the bar and make most attacks impersonal . Consider how odd it would be for someone in 2025 to say: "Computer security?I haven't done anything to personally offend a genius hacker." Imagine this data going to a burglar, who has a digital dashboard of nearby one-person properties and when the owner is likely to be o…

What a weird comment. The type of low-end criminal who commits home burglaries aren't sophisticated enough to do that level of research.

They'd buy access from someone on the dark web for $5 a day.

Re: France's aircraft carrier located in real time by Le Monde through fitness app

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Post by Calcite »

sa46 wrote: post #230
jandrewrogers wrote: post #23

This is a common problem across militaries. It is difficult to stop soldiers from leaking their location if they have access to mobile phones and the Internet. Individual cases are usually a combination of naïveté, ignorance, and an unwillingness to be inconvenienced. It still happens in Ukraine, where immediate risk to life and limb is much more severe than this case.

About 15 years ago, our brigade conducted a training exercise to test overall readiness. The opposing force (OPFOR) figured out how to triangulate the brigade headquarters' position using Tinder. Tinder provided 1-mile granularity, so OPFOR would roam around until they had enough points to locate the headquarters. Then, they'd artillery it out of existence. The brigade commander was most displeased—moving a brigade h…

And if they switched their phone’s locale to a non-US country, then the distance would show up with 1-kilometre precision. Nearly 40% more accurate!

Re: France's aircraft carrier located in real time by Le Monde through fitness app

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Post by cwillu »

justsomehnguy wrote: post #530
cwillu wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The battle group doesn't cruise around in formation, for specifically this reason.

Ah, yes, Ticonderogas should be so far from the carrier so they couldn't even protect it, despite protecting their carrier is their main duty. Makes sense.

Is that what I said?

Re: France's aircraft carrier located in real time by Le Monde through fitness app

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Post by roysting »

applfanboysbgon wrote: post #496
roysting wrote: post #489

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who do you see as the “legitimate military target” in America due to America’s war of aggression on Iran? You imply it would be any military officer, anywhere, at any time, retired or not.

Correct. The US assassinated Iran's leader and dozens of their military officers. Do you seriously believe Iran would somehow be in the wrong to kill any American officer it can? It is eerie how closely the American mentality parallels that of the German regime. "The Nazis entered this war on the rather childish delusion that they were going to bomb everybody and nobody was going to bomb them."

I understand your sentiment, but all parties, including the Israeli state are signatories and have ratified the Geneva Convention, making the actions of Israel and it's American attack oaf (full disclosure, I am American, whatever that even still means) war crimes, and technically based on the precedent from the Nurenberg trial, makes the USA and arguably its accessory, Israel responsible and guilty of all war crimes due to initiating the illegal war of aggression, the "mother of all war crimes".

We are facing a far greater calamity than I get the sense most really have any understand for. Effectively all international institutions have exposed themselves as some variation of incompetent, shams, husks, utterly ineffectual, and even downright evil (e.g., condemning Iran essentially for being attacked) because the subordinated, pathetic vassal dungeon gimp countries and institutions are afraid and/or seek continued favor and the approval of their suzerain master/King.

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