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Re: We Will Not Be Divided

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This has much broader implications for the US economy and rule of law in the US.

If government procurement rules intended for national security risks can be abused as a way to punish Anthropic for perceived lack of loyalty, why not any other company that displeases the administration like Apple or Amazon?

This marks an important turning point for the US.

Re: We Will Not Be Divided

#533

If the DoW/DoD wants Anthropic, they'll get Anthropic, whether we know about it publicly or not. It's not unlikely that they're already working together and just putting on a show for the public. I'd even go as far to say that if this is indeed a publicity campaign it is the most successful one I've seen in years. Many detractors of the existence of LLMs are suddenly leaping to Anthropic's defence.

This is the only careful comment. Everything else here is trying to mentally push away the inevitable. You can argue if it is noble to perform resistance in the face of what is pretty much fate, but I would not put any cent on that.

Re: We Will Not Be Divided

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It prohibits DoD agencies and contractors from using Anthropic services. It'd be one thing if the DoD simply didn't use Anthropic. But that's what the supply-chain risk is for? I'm legitimately struggling to understand this viewpoint of yours wherein they are entitled to refuse to directly purchase Anthropic products but they're not entitled to refuse to indirectly purchase Anthropic products via subcontractors.

Supply chain risk is not meant for this. The government isn't banning Anthropic because using it harms national security. They are banning it in retribution for Anthropic taking a stand. It's the same as Trump claiming emergency powers to apply tariffs, when the "emergency" he claimed was basically "global trade exists." Yes, the government can choose to purchase or not. No, supply chain risk is absolutely not correc…

The rule in question is exactly meant for “this”, where “this” equals ”a complete ban on use of the product in any part of the government supply chain”. That’s why it has the name that it has. The rule itself has not been misconstrued.

You’re really trying to complain that the use of the rule is inappropriate here, which may be true, but is far more a matter of opinion than anything else.

Re: We Will Not Be Divided

#535

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It is relevant. Anthropic would have argued the US military could not use its tools to process data gathered by foreign agencies when it applied to US citizens or soil.

So there you have it

Re: We Will Not Be Divided

#537
The talk about declaring anthropic a supply chain security risk (which doesn’t just remove it from DoW but also all the contractors and suppliers that supply DoW) was also accompanied by a completely different threat: to declare it national security need to take over then company.

Prediction: in time, OpenAI will be declared such to privatise profits but socialise losses

Re: We Will Not Be Divided

#538

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of course there are. But once it exists, a technology will be used for all purposes. The choice is in the making, anything else is virtue signaling.

One second, I have to go turn my stove off. It could be used to start a forest fire.

That is not analogous to this petition.

Re: We Will Not Be Divided

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You’re kinda already conceding to some of your opponents points when you use legally invalid names like “Department of War” I appreciate the sentiment but don’t preconcede to your opposition by using their framing.

"Legally Invalid" lol - what?

Yeah, it takes an act of Congress to rename a part of the government, normally it’s a milquetoast event like renaming a postal office, but this admin thinks the law doesn’t apply to them.

Currently the government executive branch is claiming they have that right and the legislative branch can get fucked.

I am taking advice from the current executive admin around names and continuing to call the Department of Defense by their biological name.

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