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Trump's global tariffs struck down by US Supreme Court

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Re: Trump's global tariffs struck down by US Supreme Court

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Post by ceejayoz »

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #365
kingofmen wrote: post #217

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. "Relatively". We really need a fast-track process for genuinely insane nonsense to get shot down in a matter of days, not months.

It takes a long time for something to get through all the appeals. Getting an injunction to put a stop to something during the appeals doesn't take that long. The problem in this case is that Congress made such a mess of the law that the lower court judges didn't think the outcome obvious enough to grant the injunction.

> The problem in this case is that Congress made such a mess of the law that the lower court judges didn't think the outcome obvious enough to grant the injunction.

The lower courts issued several such injunctions.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/29/us/politics/trump-tariffs...

"On Wednesday, the U.S. Court of International Trade dealt an early blow to that strategy. The bipartisan panel of judges, one of whom had been appointed by Mr. Trump, ruled that the law did not grant the president “unbounded authority” to impose tariffs on nearly every country, as Mr. Trump had sought. As a result, the president’s tariffs were declared illegal, and the court ordered a halt to their collection within the next 10 days."

"Just before she spoke, a federal judge in a separate case ordered another, temporary halt to many of Mr. Trump’s tariffs, ruling in favor of an educational toy company in Illinois, whose lawyers told the court it was harmed by Mr. Trump’s actions."

Re: Trump's global tariffs struck down by US Supreme Court

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Post by maest »

k33n wrote: post #456
coldpie wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If whoever runs in 2028 does not have a concrete plan for investigating & prosecuting every single person who worked under this admin from top to bottom, they are wasting everyone's time. We need to see hundreds of life-in-prison sentences by the end of 2029.

[flagged]

This kind of vitriolic discourse has no place here and I hope, for our sake, you get banned or, at least, mass flagged.

Re: Trump's global tariffs struck down by US Supreme Court

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Post by rasz »

conartist6 wrote: post #366
singpolyma3 wrote: post #258

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is a refund even likely? Seems more likely the administration orders everyone to ignore the court.

The executive branch couldn't so much as order me drink a cup of tea unless it first drafted me into the army or declared martial law.

With that attitude you will be shot on the spot for resisting.

Re: Trump's global tariffs struck down by US Supreme Court

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Post by sowbug »

linhns wrote: post #282
pseingatl wrote: post #243

Because of thw tariffs, it has not been possible to send small packages from Asia to the US. I wonder now how long it will take for service to be restored.

I believe this is due to the USPS loophole being closed, tariffs only play a small part.

It may also have been because of the end of the de minimis ($800) tariff exemption. Without that exemption, even something valued at one cent would have to go through the import-tax collection process, which meant that small packages were no longer economical to send. That exemption is still gone.

Re: Trump's global tariffs struck down by US Supreme Court

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Post by tracker1 »

micromacrofoot wrote: post #485
tracker1 wrote: post #330

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hence my (somewhat downvoted) comment in that I think the refunds should probably just be issued aa Treasury Bonds with varying maturity dates. Cashing out all t once can only lead to more chaos/disruption to the broader economy.

It's going to be nearly impossible for it to happen at once anyway, it's going to take a long time to unravel this mess

The sad thing is the "paid" back will be to parties that likely already passed on these fees and won't be passing on the returns as pure profit instead... and to middle-men companies who don't really add much value in the first place.

Re: Trump's global tariffs struck down by US Supreme Court

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Post by danesparza »

edot wrote: post #40

Howard Lutnick and his sons are surely happy about this. It’s almost like Howard Lutnick, the Secretary of Commerce , knew this would happen. His sons, at their firm Cantor Fitzgerald, have been offering a tariff refund product wherein they pay companies who are struggling with paying tariffs 20-30% of a potential refund, and if (as they did today) they get struck down, they pocket the 100% refund. https://www.financ…

Basically a bookie, eh? And the house never loses...

Re: Trump's global tariffs struck down by US Supreme Court

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Post by michelb »

The damage has been done, and probably can't be undone. Not sure you can convince me that they didn't think it wouldn't be struck down. It has destroyed a part of the underclass economy and probably some smaller to medium-sized businesses. Pretty sure some people figure they have had a good run with it until now.

Re: Trump's global tariffs struck down by US Supreme Court

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Post by FireBeyond »

simonw wrote: post #506
edot wrote: post #40

Howard Lutnick and his sons are surely happy about this. It’s almost like Howard Lutnick, the Secretary of Commerce , knew this would happen. His sons, at their firm Cantor Fitzgerald, have been offering a tariff refund product wherein they pay companies who are struggling with paying tariffs 20-30% of a potential refund, and if (as they did today) they get struck down, they pocket the 100% refund. https://www.financ…

Meanwhile Pam Bondi's brother is a lawyer who's firm represents clients with cases against the justice department, and those cases keep getting dropped. - https://www.newsweek.com/trump-doj-handling-pam-bondi-brothe... - https://abcnews.com/US/doj-drops-charges-client-ag-pam-bondi...

Ahh, Brad Bondi, who it is widely rumored to be attempting to join the Bar in DC for the convenient benefit of being able to wield influence in the event of anyone trying to push for disbarrment against Pam...

Re: Trump's global tariffs struck down by US Supreme Court

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Post by internet2000 »

latchkey wrote: post #210
fuzzfactor wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not a legitimate tax. That's why it taxed the economy much worse than a legitimate President would do.

maybe i lean too much in one direction, but what is a "legitimate tax"? Once again, count on hn for the downvotes. Yep, those shall not speak of downvotes, or taxation.

Libertarians, please sit this one out. We can have the taxation is theft dialog some other comment section.

Re: Trump's global tariffs struck down by US Supreme Court

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Post by 5upplied_demand »

xienze wrote: post #304
ssully wrote: post #240

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except that isn’t relevant at all. This Supreme Court is completely cooked. If the case was “can Trump dissolve New York as a state” you would still have 3 justices siding in his favor with some dog shit reasoning.

> If the case was “can Trump dissolve New York as a state” you would still have 3 justices siding in his favor with some dog shit reasoning. As a counter-example, if the case was, say, "can a college use race as a factor in admissions"[0], you get 3 justices siding in favor using dogshit reasoning, just from the other side of the aisle. It's a bit ridiculous to think there aren't Democrat partisan judges on the Supre…

The Bakke decision in 1978 upheld that race could be used as a factor in admissions. Your counter-example is precedent from 50 years ago. Does that same precedent exist in this tariff case?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regents_of_the_University_of_C...

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