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Re: I’m joining OpenAI

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Post by qingcharles »

tabs_or_spaces wrote: post #504

I'm happy for the guy, but am I jealous as well? Well yes, and that's perfectly human. We have someone who vibe coded software with major security vulnerabilities. This is reported by many folks We also have someone who vibecoded without reading any of the code. This is self admitted by this person. We don't know how much of the github stars are bought. We don't know how many twitter followings/tweets are bought. The…

They're buying him for his ideas, not for his ability to code. And if his stars are bought, then they're buying him also for his black hat marketing, I guess...

Re: I’m joining OpenAI

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Post by Aurornis »

casualscience wrote: post #521

Can someone explain what value openclaw provides over like claude code? It seems like it's literally just a repackaged claude code (i.e. a for loop around claude) with a model selector (and I guess a few builtin 'tools' for web browsing?)

They serve different purposes. OpenClaw is supposed to be more of an autonomous sidekick assistant thing that can take instructions over different messenger channels. It can also be set up to take ongoing instructions and just churn on general directions.

Re: I’m joining OpenAI

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Post by kylemh »

casualscience wrote: post #521

Can someone explain what value openclaw provides over like claude code? It seems like it's literally just a repackaged claude code (i.e. a for loop around claude) with a model selector (and I guess a few builtin 'tools' for web browsing?)

The main one is that you can run and/or host it remotely, unlike Claude Desktop. By this I mean, you can run OpenClaw on a service like Tailscale and protect your actual machine from certain security/privacy concerns and - regardless of the choice - you can connect your access to OpenClaw via any chat agent or SSH tunnel, so you can access it from a phone. If Claude Cowork comes to iOS/Android with a tunnel option, they can resolve this difference.

A smaller difference would be that you can use any/all models with OpenClaw.

Re: I’m joining OpenAI

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Post by westonplatter0 »

tabs_or_spaces wrote: post #504

I'm happy for the guy, but am I jealous as well? Well yes, and that's perfectly human. We have someone who vibe coded software with major security vulnerabilities. This is reported by many folks We also have someone who vibecoded without reading any of the code. This is self admitted by this person. We don't know how much of the github stars are bought. We don't know how many twitter followings/tweets are bought. The…

He also spent 13 years building [an] OCR document engine company (PSPDFKit) before becoming an "overnight" vibe coder success story.

Re: I’m joining OpenAI

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Post by qingcharles »

Ozzie_osman wrote: post #493
badlogic wrote: post #259

Earlier quoted context omitted.

peter's claw is a lot more than just a wrapper around my slop. i too had plenty of offers, but so far chose not to follow through with any of them, as i like my life as is. also, peter is a good friend and gives plenty of credit. in fact, less credit would be nice, so i don't have to endure more vibeslopped issues and PRs going forward :)

Best HN comment ever.

Peak HN for sure. This is what keeps me coming back.

Re: I’m joining OpenAI

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Post by beepbooptheory »

rkunnamp wrote: post #299
beepbooptheory wrote: post #288

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What does "enterprise ready" mean in this context?

Currently 2 big issues of openclaw is memory and security. Armin is working on sandboxing primitives which could help a lot.

What does one do with a sandboxed openclaw?

Re: I’m joining OpenAI

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Post by erikbye »

tabs_or_spaces wrote: post #504

I'm happy for the guy, but am I jealous as well? Well yes, and that's perfectly human. We have someone who vibe coded software with major security vulnerabilities. This is reported by many folks We also have someone who vibecoded without reading any of the code. This is self admitted by this person. We don't know how much of the github stars are bought. We don't know how many twitter followings/tweets are bought. The…

It's funny to me how still so many don't realize you don't get hired for the best positions for being a 10x programmer who excels at hackerrank, you get hired for your proven ability to deliver useful products. Creativity, drive, vision, whatever. Code is a means to an end. If you're the type of programmer who thinks of yourself as just a programmer, and take pride in your secure code, ability to optimize functions and algorithms, you're exactly the kind of programmer AI will replace.

Quality of code has never had anything to do with which products are successful. I bet both youtube and facebook's codebase is a tangled mess.

Re: I’m joining OpenAI

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Post by casualscience »

timwis wrote: post #529
casualscience wrote: post #521

Can someone explain what value openclaw provides over like claude code? It seems like it's literally just a repackaged claude code (i.e. a for loop around claude) with a model selector (and I guess a few builtin 'tools' for web browsing?)

From what I remember, the key differentiating features were: - a heartbeat, so it was able to 'think'/work throughout the day, even if you weren't interacting with it - a clever and simple way to retain 'memory' across sessions (though maybe claude code has this now) - a 'soul' text file, which isn't necessarily innovative in itself, but the ability for the agent to edit its own configuration on the fly is pretty nea…

I see, so there's actually an additional for loop here, which is `sleep(n); check_all_conversations()`, that is not something claude code does for sure.

As far as the 'soul' file, claude does have claude.md and skills.md files that it can edit with config changes.

One thing I'm curious about is whether there was significant innovation around tools for interacting with websites/apps. From their wiki, they call out like 10 apps (whatsapp, teams, etc...) that openclaw can integrate with, so IDK if it just made interacting with those apps easier? Having agents use websites is notoriously a shitty experience right now.

Re: I’m joining OpenAI

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Post by jeffrallen »

sph wrote: post #528
cube00 wrote: post #517

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's telling me that I should rather focus on getting viral/lucky to get a shot at "success". A vibe coder being hired by the provider of the vibe coding tools feels like marketing to sell the idea that we should all try this because we could be the next lucky ones. IMHO, it'd be more legitimate if a company that could sustain itself without frequent cash injections hired them because they found value in their vibe…

pets.com moment

Nah, I'm getting more of a webvan vibe...

Re: I’m joining OpenAI

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Post by aixpert »

bananaboy wrote: post #518
spaceman_2020 wrote: post #508

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Going by how insanely viral OpenClaw has been on X, I don’t think any of the stars were bought

There were some comments somewhere below about that virality being bought though. I don't know how true that is or where those commenters got their information. If you look at google trends though there is practically no mention of ClawdBot before around January 23, even though the project was released in November.

he likely poured oil into the flame investing a few hundred bucks to double the virality
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