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I started programming when I was 7. I'm 50 now and the thing I loved has changed

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Re: I started programming when I was 7. I'm 50 now and the thing I loved has changed

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This is a part of it, but I also feel like a Luddite (the historical meaning, not the derogatory slang). I do use these tools, clearly see their potential, and know full well where this is going: capital is devaluing labor. My skills will become worthless. Maybe GP is right that at first only skilled developers can wield them to full effect, but it's obviously not going to stop there. If I could destroy these things…

> know full well where this is going: capital is devaluing labor But now you too can access AI labor. You can use it for yourself directly.

That is a fiction. None of us can waste tens of thousands of dollars whipping out a C compiler or web browser on a whim to test things.

If these tools improve to the point of being able to write real code, the financial move for the agent runners is to charge far more than they are now but far less than the developers being replaced.

Re: I started programming when I was 7. I'm 50 now and the thing I loved has changed

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> If you were a smart dev before AI, chances are you will remain a smart dev with AI. I don't think that's what people are upset about, or at least it's not for me. For me it's that writing code is really enjoyable, and delegating it to AI is hell on earth.

> For me it's that writing code is really enjoyable, and delegating it to AI is hell on earth. It's very sad, for me. Like I told someone recently - letting the LLM write my code for me is like letting the LLM play my video games for me. If all I wanted was the achievement on my steam profile, then sure, it makes sense, but that achievement is not why I play video games. I'm looking at all these people proudly showin…

I think you were incredibly lucky to get to write code that you enjoyed writing.

Most of the commercial code I've written, over a 30+ year career, has been shite. The mandate was always to write profitable code, not elegant code. I started (much like the OP) back in the 80's writing code as a hobby, and I enjoyed that. But implementing yet another shitty REST CRUD server for a shitty website... not so much.

I totally see a solution: get the LLM to write the shitty REST CRUD server, and focus on the hard bits of the job.

Re: I started programming when I was 7. I'm 50 now and the thing I loved has changed

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Appeal to identity. Prejucide and bias. Not considering an enthusiast of a technology might actually want to get paid working with that technology. Shameful comment all around.

Disclosing conflicting of interest is standard practice. People writing about economics do disclose when holding relevant shares. In the end, it's a simple question: Are the opinions stated sincere or does the author have a pecuniary interest which might make things a bit more subjective?

What is the conflict of interest? Guy working for AI company says he likes working with AI?

Re: I started programming when I was 7. I'm 50 now and the thing I loved has changed

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If not the technical person, then who? It’s a lot easier for a technical person to learn how to talk the language of the business than a business person to have a deep understanding of technology. On the enterprise dev side of the industry where most developers work, I saw a decade ago that if I were just a ticket taker who turned well defined requirements into for loop and if statements, that was an undifferentiated…

Those levels bake in the expectation of "codez real gud" at FAANG/MANGA/whatever style tech companies since the technical complexity of their operations is high and a high skill bar needs to be hurdled over to contribute to most of those codebases and make impact at the scale they operate at. One's ability to reverse a binary tree (which is a BS filter, but it is what it is) hasn't been an indicator of ability in som…

You give way too much credit to the average mid level developer at BigTech. A lot of the scalability is built in and they just built on top of it.

There are millions of people that can code as well as you are I and a lot cheaper if you are in the US. Thousands of developers have been laid off over the last three years and tech companies keep going strong - what does that tell you?

I’m just as happy to get away from writing for loops in 2026 as was to be able to get away with LDA, LDX and BRA instructions once I could write performant code in C.

And how are we robbing future generations? Because some of us (not that I can take credit for any of it) move the state of technology from the 1Mhz Apple //e I had in 1986?

Re: I started programming when I was 7. I'm 50 now and the thing I loved has changed

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My job for the last 8 years has involved Talking to sales to get an idea what the customer wanted from the business side (first B2B at a product company and now consulting) -> talking to the customer and hashing out more detailed requirements -> designing the architecture and a proposed technical plan -> presenting it to the stakeholder (sometime internal sometime external) -> doing the work or delegating and leading…

Look, there are at least dozens of us who like and enjoy programming for programming's sake and got into this crazy industry because of that. Many of these people made many of the countless things we take for granted every day (networking, operating systems, web search; hell, even the transformer architecture before they got productized!). Seeing software development --- and software engineering by proxy --- get redu…

Well as depressing as it is, check out the 2024 and 2025 YC batches. Guess how many of them are “ai” something or other? It’s never been about “hackers”. Not a single founder who takes VC funding is thinking about a sustainable business - at least their investors aren’t - they are hoping for the “exit”.

It’s always been jello. I at 51 can wax poetically about the good old days or I can keep doing what I need to do to keep money appearing in my account.

Re: I started programming when I was 7. I'm 50 now and the thing I loved has changed

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[55yo] My sense is that those problems we worked on in the 80s and 90s were like the perfectly balanced MMORPG. The challenges were tough, but with grit, could be overcome and you felt like you could build something amazing and unique. My voxel moment was passing parameters in my compilers class in college. I sat down to do it and about 12 hours later I got it working, not knowing if I could even do it. With AI, it i…

I think there's still quite a chasm out there. Domain knowledge, an informed and opinionated view on how something should function, and overall tech knowledge are still key. Having those three things continues to greatly differentiate people of equal coding skill, as they always have.

That’s something LLMs are also presumably good at. At least I’m seeing more and more push to use LLMs at work for ambitious business requirements instead of learning about the problem we’ve been dealing with. Instead of knowing why you are doing what you’re doing, now people are just asking LLMs for specific answers and move on.

Sure some might use it to learn as well, but it’s not necessary and people just yolo the first answer claude gives to them.

Re: I started programming when I was 7. I'm 50 now and the thing I loved has changed

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Ironically this post comes across to me as written by an LLM. The em-dashes, the prepositions, the "not this, that" lines. As a college instructor, I can usually tell. I put it through GPTZero and it said it's 96% LLM written. GPTZero is not full-proof but I think it's likely right on this one and I find it very ironic.

fwiw, it's 'foolproof' not 'full-proof'

Re: I started programming when I was 7. I'm 50 now and the thing I loved has changed

#538

Ironically this post comes across to me as written by an LLM. The em-dashes, the prepositions, the "not this, that" lines. As a college instructor, I can usually tell. I put it through GPTZero and it said it's 96% LLM written. GPTZero is not full-proof but I think it's likely right on this one and I find it very ironic.

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Re: I started programming when I was 7. I'm 50 now and the thing I loved has changed

#539

Ironically this post comes across to me as written by an LLM. The em-dashes, the prepositions, the "not this, that" lines. As a college instructor, I can usually tell. I put it through GPTZero and it said it's 96% LLM written. GPTZero is not full-proof but I think it's likely right on this one and I find it very ironic.

fwiw, it's 'foolproof' not 'full-proof'

I think he might mean it does not fully prove anything. Is the dash an awkward attempt at a pun?

Re: I started programming when I was 7. I'm 50 now and the thing I loved has changed

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This article spoke to me, a lot. I had a similar experience, though I started with a "leftover" C64 that my uncle didn't need anymore when I was a child.

All the magic was in those magazines, where people shared code, optimizations, explanations, and new programs and games. In each of those magazines people were writing letters to the publisher team with their modifications. It was pretty awesome how the community spirit worked and shared the creative enthusiasm through "paper channels" before the online age.

Then came github. Github was amazing, the /explore page was my new tab page for at least the first 5 years. I loved the exploration part of what other humans built, what kind of ideas they had, and where they wanted to go with their projects. I just loved reading code and learning from it.

Now, post github and post LLM, I don't know what this means anymore. Doxxing communities rule the internet, people are abusing hate and misinformation to enforce their political views. The remaining ones try to shield themselves from information overload syndrome.

But what does it mean to contribute now? Are humans now something like Christoph Waltz in Zero Theorem? Algorithm monkeys training the AI at an input console? Is that what humanity envisions as its future these days?

I still build software, but my approach has changed. I am scared for future generations that will have forgotten how to read books, and where the knowledge and hacking spirit has been lost completely. So I am spending the time I have left optimizing for that future, because the trend of short lived media excessively emotionalizing every topic is clearly going there.

Maybe, some day in the future, a kid will read my wiki and be amazed on what you can do with a computer. That's enough motivation for me to keep going.

My goals are pretty clear for now:

- make knowledge decentralizable

- write down all the basics I need to know to exercise my craft

- write tools to combat surveillance, censorship, and cyber warfare

- write tools to share knowledge

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