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Re: Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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Post by Fire-Dragon-DoL »

pezezin wrote: post #439
hightrix wrote: post #337

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To further your argument, look at the XBOX. It is impossible to tell which is the latest model by name alone. Where the playstation is simple, the latest is the 5, the previous was the 4, and the one before that was the 3.

To be fair, only Sony follows a consistent naming convention. Nintendo's console names also defy any logic, as did Sega back in the day.

You are forgetting Valve!

We got the Steam Controller and the new... Steam Controller.

We also got the Steam machine, as well as the new Steam machine.

Lol

Re: Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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Post by vv_ »

Eddy_Viscosity2 wrote: post #106
vv_ wrote: post #66

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On what reasoning do you make this prediction? Just because corporations are mandating their employees to use AI right now does not mean it will continue.

Any new software developers entering the field from this point on will have to know how to use and be expected to use AI code-gen tools to get employment. Moving forward, eventually all developers use these tools routinely. There will be a point in the future where there is no one left working that has ever coded anything complex thing from scratch without AI tools. Therefore, all* code will have AI code-gen as all*…

> Any new software developers entering the field from this point on will have to know how to use and be expected to use AI code-gen tools to get employment

And on what grounds do you make this assumption?

Re: Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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Post by NuclearPM »

NuclearPM wrote: post #478
kemotep wrote: post #127

Microsoft really needs to get a better handle with the naming conventions. There is Microsoft Copilot, which replaced Bing Chat, Cortana and uses OpenAI’s GPT-4 and 5 models. There is Github Copilot, the coding autocomplete tool. There is Microsoft 365 Copilot, what they now call Office with built in GenAI stuff. There is also a Copilot cli that lets you use whatever agent/model backend you want too? Everything is Co…

Xbox one series X They sucks at names.

And I can’t edit this mistake…

Re: Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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Post by groundzeros2015 »

stoneforger wrote: post #392
groundzeros2015 wrote: post #97

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They seem better at working in finance and managing money. Most models of productivity look like factories with inputs, outputs, and processes. This is just not how engineering or craftsmanship happen.

It's because the purpose of engineering is to engineer a solution. Their purpose is to create profit, engineering gets in the way.

How do you create profit?

Re: Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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Post by dramm »

kemotep wrote: post #127

Microsoft really needs to get a better handle with the naming conventions. There is Microsoft Copilot, which replaced Bing Chat, Cortana and uses OpenAI’s GPT-4 and 5 models. There is Github Copilot, the coding autocomplete tool. There is Microsoft 365 Copilot, what they now call Office with built in GenAI stuff. There is also a Copilot cli that lets you use whatever agent/model backend you want too? Everything is Co…

It's the horrible "IBM Watson" marketing of our time, and I expect will do as badly for Microsoft as Watson did for IBM.

Re: Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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Post by jodrellblank »

anonymous908213 wrote: post #115
jodrellblank wrote: post #96

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You suppose that there are no highly-paid researchers on the planet working on AGI? Because there are, and that's less proven than "porting one codebase to another language" is. What about Quantum Computers, what about power-producing nuclear fusion? Both less proven than porting code. What about all other blue-sky research labs? Why would you continue supposing such a thing when both the employee, and the employer,…

Sure, there are plenty of researchers working on fanciful daydreams. They pursue those goals at behest of their employer. You attempted to make a distinction between the employer and the employee's goals, as though a Distinguished Engineer at Microsoft was just playing around on a whim doing hobby projects for fun. If Microsoft is paying him $1m annually to work on this, plus giving him a team to pursue the goal of r…

Microsoft funded Simon Peyton-Jones (Haskell) and Don Syme (F#) and SP-J worked on Excel, but it would be inaccurate to say that their goal was to rewrite Excel, Windows, C#, .NET into functional programming. Yes, to an extent researchers "play around on a whim doing hobby projects for fun", or more formally as SP-J said in an interview "the mission statement that Microsoft Research had at that time which was to push forward the boundaries of knowledge; put Microsoft in a position to be agile when new stuff heaves over the horizon; provide a reservoir of expertise for the rest of the company to draw on".

- https://archivesit.org.uk/interviews/simon-peyton-jones/

Otherwise your position is that "blue-sky research" doesn't exist (it does) or that big companies don't fund it (they do). In particular, the LinkedIn in question said nothing about "Windows", that is something internet has hallucinated to maximise ragebait.

Re: Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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Post by sarchertech »

root_axis wrote: post #76
sarchertech wrote: post #56

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Thats still 10 billion lines of code per month if that insane metric were a real goal (it’s not). That’s 200 Windows’ worth of code every month.

Totally agreed. The numbers are silly. My only point is that you don't need 100k engineers if you're letting Claude dump all that code into production.

That’s definitely true. But I don’t think you need 100k engineers for literally anything.

Re: Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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Post by davidron »

pezezin wrote: post #508
somat wrote: post #484

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I would put the would put the wii firmly in the gamecube family line. it's a uprated gamecube with a weird controller. nes:snes = 6502 n64 = mips gamecube:wii:wiiu = powerpc switch:switch2 = arm

Yes, the Wii is essentially an overclocked GameCube with a bit more RAM and as you mentioned, a weird controller.

As a regular human who plays games and doesn't know about chip architectures, one woud probably lump the wii and the switch closer together than the game cube based on the modes in which one can interact with the systems.

Wii is a game cube with a funny controller. Or, wii is a tv-only olde switch.

I appreciate that it has its own name due to being a transitional experience.

Re: Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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Post by MengerSponge »

marssaxman wrote: post #294
kemotep wrote: post #127

Microsoft really needs to get a better handle with the naming conventions. There is Microsoft Copilot, which replaced Bing Chat, Cortana and uses OpenAI’s GPT-4 and 5 models. There is Github Copilot, the coding autocomplete tool. There is Microsoft 365 Copilot, what they now call Office with built in GenAI stuff. There is also a Copilot cli that lets you use whatever agent/model backend you want too? Everything is Co…

> Microsoft really needs to get a better handle with the naming conventions. They really won't, though; Microsoft just does this kind of thing, over and over and over. Before everything was named "365", it was all "One", before that it was "Live"... 20 years ago, everything was called ".NET" whether it had anything to do with the Internet or not. Back in the '90s they went crazy for a while calling everything "Active…

"The only problem with Microsoft is they just have no taste. They have absolutely no taste. And I don't mean that in a small way, I mean that in a big way, in the sense that they don't think of original ideas, and they don't bring much culture into their products." -Steve Jobs

Re: Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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Post by prmph »

falloutx wrote: post #510
prmph wrote: post #374

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Nah, Claude Code is really that better. I should know, every few months I try to move away from Claude Code, only to come running back to it. Gemini CLI (not the model) is trash, I wish it weren't so, but I only have to try to use for a short time before I give up. It regularly retains stale file contents (even after re-prompting), constantly crashes, does not show diffs properly, etc, etc. I recently tried OpenCode.…

> Advice to agentic CLI developers: Just copy Claude Code's UX exactly, that's your starting point. What? Its not even the best experience. The best UX is done by Crush. and they nail the experience, but its slightly worse because they made it work for all models.

$ crush Downloading https://github.com/charmbracelet/crush/releases/download/v0.... to archive-oN2VLv/crush_0.39.3_Darwin_x86_64.tar.gz... Download complete: archive-oN2VLv/crush_0.39.3_Darwin_x86_64.tar.gz Successfully extracted crush to "/Users/prmph/Library/pnpm/global/5/.pnpm/@charmland+crush@0.39.3/node_modules/@charmland/crush/bin" dyld: Symbol not found: _SecTrustCopyCertificateChain Referenced from: /Users/prmph/Library/pnpm/global/5/.pnpm/@charmland+crush@0.39.3/node_modules/@charmland/crush/bin/crush (which was built for Mac OS X 12.0) Expected in: /System/Library/Frameworks/Security.framework/Versions/A/Security in /Users/prmph/Library/pnpm/global/5/.pnpm/@charmland+crush@0.39.3/node_modules/@charmland/crush/bin/crush
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