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Post by trimethylpurine »

Forgeties79 wrote: post #492
trimethylpurine wrote: post #401

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Democrats (the South) always said that this country was always about slavery. They used that rhetoric to argue FOR slavery for decades after it was abolished. This is all documented in supreme court cases from the 18th century on up through the civil war. Some of the founding fathers argued as attorneys in some of those cases in fact, stating firmly that slavery was always illegal in the United States. Republicans (L…

You can’t talk about this Republican/Democrat dichotomy over 150 years without acknowledging party realignment. Are you familiar with it? Let me ask you this: what party did Strom Thurman swap to and why?

I'm familiar with this theory and on some issues maybe it's relevant but what I'm referring to here is that Democrats today still seem to be in agreement with Democrats of old on the topic of whether the founders meant to abolish slavery.

Republicans say they absolutely did, just as they always have.

Democrats say they absolutely didn't, just as they always have.

I would argue that realignment occurred geographically, not on the basis of morality. Under slavery, the southern states were rich and mostly Democrats, now the northern states are more largely rich and leaning Democrat. That's to be expected, I think, where the wealthy wouldn't enjoy the new found poverty of the southern states as they rebuilt after the war, and would take their ideals with them. But that's just my guess, I don't have any research to substantiate that. Maybe it's an interesting topic for research.

Similarly, the stance on issues of whether people are naturally born inferior and deserving of special treatment, good or bad, remains a largely Democrat ideology, just as it always has.

Republicans on the other hand argue that all man is created equal not equitable, and they used that rhetoric to free slaves, stop Jim Crow era horrors, etc. And they continue to use it to argue against race based government aid.

So on these specific topics, I don't see any realignment as objectively observed.

All of this was and is documented in many SCOTUS cases, old and new.

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Post by Forgeties79 »

trimethylpurine wrote: post #531
Forgeties79 wrote: post #492

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can’t talk about this Republican/Democrat dichotomy over 150 years without acknowledging party realignment. Are you familiar with it? Let me ask you this: what party did Strom Thurman swap to and why?

I'm familiar with this theory and on some issues maybe it's relevant but what I'm referring to here is that Democrats today still seem to be in agreement with Democrats of old on the topic of whether the founders meant to abolish slavery. Republicans say they absolutely did, just as they always have. Democrats say they absolutely didn't, just as they always have. I would argue that realignment occurred geographically…

It is a theory in the same way gravity is. Both parties have experienced both gradual and sudden, major shifts and realignments throughout history. Most of the dispute is where and when these changes occurred and what constitutes them exactly. The changes clearly occur, usually over several decades but sometimes more quickly.

I’m still curious what your response is to my Strom Thurman question. It illustrates the entire point and marks one of the most recent major party realignments in the US.

Re: Mobile carriers can get your GPS location

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Post by Ms-J »

Check out an abusive family members and governments wet dream technology:

https://www.t-mobile.com/support/plans-features/t-mobile-fam...

It doesn't require any type of download or application on the target phone or device and doesn't give notice while giving an almost precise location with history of where the device has been.

It has been available for many years under different names. The ability to track any phone or device under the account.

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Post by angry_octet »

p-e-w wrote: post #322
angry_octet wrote: post #305

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A court order is just a hurdle that legislation (or a constitutional provision) dicatates, in the investigation of crime (or prevention of future crime...). The distinction is the rights of the individual vs the rights of other individuals in the dilute sense we call society. The problem is that individuals no longer have confidence in their institutions, for both good reasons (official corruption, motivated prosecut…

The only reliable way to protect rights is to limit power, and the only reliable way to protect fundamental rights is to limit power with absolute prohibitions. This was well understood in the decades following WW2, and many countries implemented protections of this kind, only to roll them back again later when people had forgotten why they existed, and believed once more that everything will be fine as long as the “…

In the US there is now the insane situation that the executive operates with the assumption of a pardon if they break the law, and if you attempt to prevent federal employees breaking the law, or even observe them or protest them, they might kill you extra legally, shielded from prosecution or punishment.

Structurally, that means the law must require consequences for cooperating participants (telcos, state agencies, subcontractors, IT providers and Apple/Google), and ultimately it will be the end of the Presidential individually exercised pardon power.

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Post by raw_anon_1111 »

trimethylpurine wrote: post #529
raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #463

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The constitution literally said that slaves were counted as 3/5th of a person - the actual founding documents. How can you say this country wasn’t about slavery from the beginning?

I don't think you read my comment. I mentioned this exact thing. The 3/5 vote was part of how the North protected from the South using greater numbers (voting in place of their slaves) to remove the expiration date that the North placed on slavery as a concession. The North wanted to ensure that slaves would in fact be released as soon as possible, without losing the South as an ally against the impending invasion fr…

There are a lot of excuses being made to dispute the fact that this country literally has slavery built into its founding documents and let Jim Crow laws stand in a part of the country for almost a century later.

There was no “expiration date” in the constitution.

“Plessy vs Ferguson” was decided by the US Supreme Court after the Civil War which enshrined Jim Crow and “Separate but Equal”.

It wasn’t until 1967 that the Supreme Court outlawed bans on interracial marriage.

In 1985 there were still sundown towns (https://www.reddit.com/r/Georgia/comments/1f4hzlt/oprah_visi...).

This country was built on racism and it was enshrined into law up to 6 years before I was born

In all fairness, my family had a house built here in 2016 and the only reason we sold in 2024 was to move to Florida. While my (stepson) was one of only 5 Black students in his high school, he never had any issues.

Re: Mobile carriers can get your GPS location

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Post by trimethylpurine »

raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #535
trimethylpurine wrote: post #529

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think you read my comment. I mentioned this exact thing. The 3/5 vote was part of how the North protected from the South using greater numbers (voting in place of their slaves) to remove the expiration date that the North placed on slavery as a concession. The North wanted to ensure that slaves would in fact be released as soon as possible, without losing the South as an ally against the impending invasion fr…

There are a lot of excuses being made to dispute the fact that this country literally has slavery built into its founding documents and let Jim Crow laws stand in a part of the country for almost a century later. There was no “expiration date” in the constitution. “Plessy vs Ferguson” was decided by the US Supreme Court after the Civil War which enshrined Jim Crow and “Separate but Equal”. It wasn’t until 1967 that t…

>There was no “expiration date” in the constitution.

Article I, Section 9, Clause 1 of the U.S. Constitution (often called the Slave Trade Clause) prevented Congress from prohibiting the importation of slaves prior to January 1, 1808. This effectively allowed the international slave trade to continue until that date, after which Congress could (and did) ban it.

Seems I need to reword my take, as this demands a bit more specificity, but the overall take remains unchanged. Had the 3/5 provision not been made, the South would have further prevented the North from enforcing a ban on slavery and inequality, which was already in place in the North, and in place federally with the "created equal" component in the Declaration, as was argued by founders in court cases.

We can't just ignore court documents and the Constitution itself, along with the Declaration. Not to mention the first draft of the Constitution which had a lot more provisions against slavery before the English forced then to take allies with the South or die. They had no choice but to agree to the South's terms and allow for the South's slaves, temporarily. A stark difference from the previous Constitution of the first Congress.

You can try to frame it however you like, but you can't hide the fact that the founders wrote that slavery is bad, and they don't want it in this country even before it was a country. And they subsequently fought to eliminate it as soon as the wars were over. Those documents remain, right in the face of your argument.

Sundown towns existing doesn't change that. There was no sundown country, just as this isn't a sex cult country, despite there being some law breaking Nexium participants setting up shop and torturing people. It happens, that doesn't mean we as a country yearn to have more racists walking around. In fact, I think if you read why Republicans voted Trump, it's because they perceive immigrants to be racist and they want to reduce the inflow of racist ideology and rape culture into the country. That's exactly the scare tactic that their advertising relies on. They believe they are the ones who aren't racist, just like Democrats.

(I hate both political parties equally by the way. I'm not sure if that's clear from my commentary. But I reject the South's view of history because I can read the damn court cases and see that it's a total fabrication. And I know that Democrats like to spread that version as justification for why black people need help, and I think they know full well that it's bullshit, but it convinces juries on rare occasion so they continue to use it.)

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Post by raw_anon_1111 »

trimethylpurine wrote: post #531
Forgeties79 wrote: post #492

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can’t talk about this Republican/Democrat dichotomy over 150 years without acknowledging party realignment. Are you familiar with it? Let me ask you this: what party did Strom Thurman swap to and why?

I'm familiar with this theory and on some issues maybe it's relevant but what I'm referring to here is that Democrats today still seem to be in agreement with Democrats of old on the topic of whether the founders meant to abolish slavery. Republicans say they absolutely did, just as they always have. Democrats say they absolutely didn't, just as they always have. I would argue that realignment occurred geographically…

Then why in 1896 did the Supreme Court uphold “Separate But Equal”?

The Republican President just said that Hatians are eating pets and starting a civil war in MN to get rid of brown people.

Not to mention how he is inviting White people only from South Africa to come over.

Lyndon Johnson - a Republican - said after the Civil Rights Act that “the Republicans have lost the South for two generations”.

But Southern Democrats were literally “Democrats in name only” with Zell Miller the current governor of GA at the time a Democrat speaking at and supporting the Republican President’s nominating convention

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Post by raw_anon_1111 »

Forgeties79 wrote: post #530
raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #528

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Again so it’s not okay they are shooting people. But it’s fine if the outcome is that they are dead?

How on earth are you getting that from what I’m saying?

You said they aren’t okay with the process - just the outcome

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Post by tavavex »

iamnothere wrote: post #244
tavavex wrote: post #231

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So people can give you a call even if you're not home? I mean, this has been the main selling point of mobile phones for over 30 years, and especially before smartphones became a thing. If you don't take your phone with you, you might as well wire in a landline and just use that.

You making a lot of calls in 2026? Messaging services seem to be more popular with people I know. I have a phone so I have options if I need to be reachable or reach someone immediately while out (rare), or for travel. And because some services, mostly banks, refuse to accept VOIP numbers but require a verified phone number.

I'm young, and although most people prefer using texting or online messengers, I still call others and receive calls from time to time. I don't understand why everyone immediately locked onto proving that calling is unpopular now, because it doesn't disprove the point I was making. Phones are, first and foremost, portable communication devices. Be it calling, texting or using the internet, the point of the phone is to make you reachable on the go, and to let you reach other people from anywhere. If this wasn't the case, why would I and everyone else still be paying for a phone number? Sure, modern smartphones have gotten a lot of secondary functionality that is sometimes even required for participating in society. But the reason why I carry one around is so my friends, family and so on could reach me if so needed. If I chose to leave my phone at home most of the time, what's the point in having one? I might as well just use my computer for everything.

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Post by lrvick »

yardstick wrote: post #521
adaml_623 wrote: post #506

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Did people "have emergencies" before the invention of mobile phones? Your question is silly

I don’t think it’s a silly question. Before mobile phones, there were public phone booths. Along motorways there were often call boxes. There’s little to none of that anymore. Also before mobile phones, if you had an accident in a remote area you were at the mercy of someone passing by and noticing you. Today, modern cars can call 911 on your behalf along with your location without you even being conscious. Or if you…

I have many times used public telephones when I really need to when traveling. The main difference today is they are free. Every airport lobby, every hotel, and most business can call a taxi or call 911 in a pinch. There are also free public use phones (often hardcoded to emergency numbers or taxi companies) often in hotel and airport lobbies.

I never noticed them until I got rid of my phone but they are everywhere.

In NYC all the payphones were replaced with wifi stations that also allow you to make free phone calls for emergencies etc.

Also all cell phones can call 911 without a sim or subscription so someone really worried about having instant access to call 911 in an emergency could have one of those keychain sized dumb phones they leave charged and powered off until they need it.

You are highly conditioned by marketing and social pressure to think you need to have a cell phone tracking you and distracting you at all times to live a safe and productive life in the modern world, but this is just not true.

Lived without one for 5 years, and have experienced accidents and emergencies in that time like anyone else.

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