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Finland looks to introduce Australia-style ban on social media

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Re: Finland looks to introduce Australia-style ban on social media

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Post by CRConrad »

insane_dreamer wrote: post #423
alexjplant wrote: post #210

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Reddit has been a cesspit of recycled pablum, populist image macros and low effort reply comments for more than a decade. Enthusiast subreddits are astroturfed to hell and back by people with a Shopify storefront and a dream trying to growth hack their way to a hockey stick. The low barrier to entry to each community means that this vapid culture eventually diffuses itself across subreddits that might otherwise be go…

I miss slashdot 20 years ago :/

More like 25-30 years, innit?

Re: Finland looks to introduce Australia-style ban on social media

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Post by [deleted] »

yallpendantools wrote: post #360
heavyset_go wrote: post #344

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The part where social media goes completely unchanged except for banning some kids from communicating with their friends

Which just begs the question, how much can you really change social media? How much are you really in control of your feed? This is where the "pubic square" analogy breaks down. Besides, there are a lot of communication mediums/messaging apps that are not social media. Even back in the early 2010s I've been trying to consume social media mindfully. I made sure to follow pages with meaningful content (e.g., The Dalai…

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Re: Finland looks to introduce Australia-style ban on social media

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Post by Aerroon »

newzino wrote: post #298

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Does the evidence actually say anything about social media bans helping? Because these bans aren't really based on anything other than vibes. The proponents are the same people who will say that social media has rotted the brains of kids and reduced their attention spans. Their evidence for that? Someone else said so. That someone else said so, because

1. Microsoft research saw that people spend less time on a website (less time to see an ad) in the modern day compared to a decade prior

2. knowledge workers now spend less time before they look away from a screen when composing an email

From this somehow we've concluded that kids have shorter attention spans today. And the obvious 'culprit' is social media.

Evidence is optional. It's all about vibes. It feels right to ban social media, so we're gonna do it. If the "researchers" get it wrong it doesn't matter, because there will be no consequences for them.

Re: Finland looks to introduce Australia-style ban on social media

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Post by CRConrad »

FeteCommuniste wrote: post #240
holly01 wrote: post #230

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When I used 4chan the lack of voting made engaging with the actual substance of a post much easier. This was something observed by many other posters I talked to. This is going to sound wishy-washy, but my theory is that the brain is so attuned to socially trying to figure out the in-group or who is in the wrong that putting a number that signals social agreement on a statement will immediately stimulate the more pri…

In the first decade of the 2000s my only "social" platforms were traditional (chronological) forums and the average level of discussion and effort to contribute was way higher than what I usually see now on social media.

You might be on to something there... That the effort itself raises quality? Perhaps.

Re: Finland looks to introduce Australia-style ban on social media

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Post by direwolf20 »

Arainach wrote: post #442
direwolf20 wrote: post #398

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You are shielded from liability if you respond to abuse reports.

In the US, maybe. In Europe, not necessarily. The UK's OFCOM regulations are particularly concerning.

Europe is more bureaucratic. You have to register with the government to say you host user content and respond to abuse reports, and then respond to abuse reports, and you're shielded.

Re: Finland looks to introduce Australia-style ban on social media

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Post by oliwarner »

arational wrote: post #378
oliwarner wrote: post #193

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I use old.reddit.com but I feel like I have complete control over what I see. It's new posts, I check them and then I leave. That's what I've lost on Facebook. It forces me to see things its algorithm thinks I like, but more often than not, it's things that make me want to argue. I don't have that on Reddit. Long may it last.

Lately the algorithm for the front page sorted by hot or best has been changed. You'd see mostly threads from subreddit you recently visited. So you no longer have control over what you don't get to see.

Honestly, I don't use the front page. I frequent a diverse set of communities there but I can't imagine wanting to see all the posts mixed together.

I go straight to subs' /new URLs.

Re: Finland looks to introduce Australia-style ban on social media

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Post by pembrook »

GreenWatermelon wrote: post #482
pembrook wrote: post #228

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Do you not see the irony of posting this on a social media site (hacker news), given you're one of the users? I guess self-hatred is one of the motivating vectors of authoritarianism. Would you also secretly like it if daddy government was always watching you on camera and triggered your shock collar every time you reached for a candy bar?

Hackernews is not social media. Just no. Unless the term os literally meaningless in which case my Company's slack ks social media.

You may believe this, but the classification of what qualifies as 'social media' won't be up to you when you hand over this level of power to government. If Reddit is social media so is this site, they are literally the same thing.

Re: Finland looks to introduce Australia-style ban on social media

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Post by HK-NC »

whyenot wrote: post #160
cheeseface wrote: post #118

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Agree on how the platform’s have changed. However, I don’t think Reddit is an exception. Popular is often filled with content that is driven by the feelings of fear and hate. Not something I’d like to continually expose kids or teens to.

What I find particularly bad about Reddit is the platform is specifically designed to amplify group think and silence competing opinions. All it takes is five more downvotes than upvotes and a comment will lose visibility. It can turn subreddits into little bubbles where like-minded people upvote each other and almost never have to see dissenting opinions. That may not be a big deal on a gardening subreddit, but it c…

Yeah I used to enjoy forum discussions. Reddit is agree or stfu. It got worse a few years ago (probably longer than that) with a new rule change and something about chibese ownership?

Re: Finland looks to introduce Australia-style ban on social media

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Post by pests »

direwolf20 wrote: post #399
pests wrote: post #350

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he ran a forum 20 years ago, but today, with things like DMCA.....

DMCA was already a thing 20 years ago

Wow that seems like yesterday. Time really does fly. Yeah you are correct I didn't think of the actual dates.
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