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I was banned from Claude for scaffolding a Claude.md file?

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Re: I was banned from Claude for scaffolding a Claude.md file?

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post #519

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I just like beong able to make like $250 of API calls for $20.

If only it was API calls. I like using it through claude code. But it would be infinitely more flexible if my $200 subscription worked through the API

I don't understand, you CAN use claude code through the API.

Re: I was banned from Claude for scaffolding a Claude.md file?

#532
post #354

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This really speaks to the need to separate the LLM you use and the coding tool that uses it. LLM makers utilizing the SaaS model make money on the tokens you spend whether or not they need them. Tools like aider and opencode (each in their own way) use separate tools build a map of the codebase that they can use to work with code using fewer tokens. When I see posts like this I start to understand why Anthropic now b…

When you state it like that, I now totally understand why Anthropic have a strong incentive to kick out OpenCode. OpenCode is incentivized to make a good product that uses your token budget efficiently since it allows you to seamlessly switch between different models. Anthropic as a model provider on the other hand, is incentivized to exhaust your token budget to keep you hooked. You'll be forced to wait when your us…

You think after 27 billions invested they're gonna be ethical or want to get their money back as fast as possible?

Re: I was banned from Claude for scaffolding a Claude.md file?

#533
post #424

We really need some law to stop "you have been banned and we won't even tell you actual reason for it", it's become a plague, made worse with automated systems giving out a ban

IMO every ban should have a dedicated web page containing ban reasons and proofs, which affected person can challenge, use in court or share publicly.

Try moderating something sometime

Re: I was banned from Claude for scaffolding a Claude.md file?

#534

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to be fair at least half of the software engineers i know are facing some level of existential crisis when seeing how well claude code works, and what it means for their job in the long term and these are people are not junior developers working on trivial apps

Yeah, I've watched a few peers go down this spiral as well. I'm not sure why , because my experience is that Claude Code and friends are building a lifetime of job security for staff-level folks, unscrewing every org that decided to over-delegate to the machine

Cleanup is less enjoyable than product building. If every future job is cleaning up a massive pile of AI slop, then that is a less fulfilling world than currently.

Re: I was banned from Claude for scaffolding a Claude.md file?

#535

Similar thing happened to me back in November 19 shortly after GitHub outage (which sent CC into repeated requests and time outs to GitHub) while beta testing Claude Code Web. Banned and appeal declined without any real explanation to what happened, other than saying "violation of ToS" which can be basically anything, except there was really nothing to trigger that, other than using their most of the free credits the…

Honestly its kind of horrifying that if "Frontier" LLM usage were to become as required as some people think just to operate as a knowledge worker, someone could basically be cast out of the workforce entirely through being access-banned by a very small group of companies. Luckily, I happen to think that eventually all of the commercial models are going to have their lunch eaten by locally run "open" LLMs which shoul…

There is also a big risk for employers' whole organisation to be completely blocked from using Anthropic services if one of their employees have a suspended/banned personal account:

From their Usage Policy: https://www.anthropic.com/legal/aup "Circumvent a ban through the use of a different account, such as the creation of a new account, use of an existing account, or providing access to a person or entity that was previously banned"

If an organisation is large enough and have the means, they MIGHT get help but if the organisation is small, and especially if the organisation is owned by the person whose personal account suspended... then there is no way to get it fixed, if this is how they approach.

I understand that if someone has malicious intentions/actions while using their service they have every right to enforce this rule but what if it was an unfair suspension which the user/employee didn't actually violate any policies, what is the course of action then? What if the employer's own service/product relies on Anthropic API?

Anthropic has to step up. Talking publicly about the risks of AI is nice and all, but as an organisation they should follow what they preach. Their service is "human-like" until it's not, then you are left alone and out.

Re: I was banned from Claude for scaffolding a Claude.md file?

#536

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That is one of the reasons why I think X's Grok, while perhaps not state of the art, is an important option to have. Out of OpenAI, Anthropic, or Google, it is the only provider that I trust not to erroneously flag harmless content. It is also the only provider out of those that permits use for legal adult content. There have been controversies over it, resulting in some people, often of a certain political orientati…

It's also a machine you can pay to generate child porn for you, owned by a guy who thinks this is hilarious and won't turn it off.

As much as I dislike Musk and friends, they're dumb/evil/incompetent enough to not have to lie and still get them.

Re: I was banned from Claude for scaffolding a Claude.md file?

#537
post #534

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Yeah, I've watched a few peers go down this spiral as well. I'm not sure why , because my experience is that Claude Code and friends are building a lifetime of job security for staff-level folks, unscrewing every org that decided to over-delegate to the machine

Cleanup is less enjoyable than product building. If every future job is cleaning up a massive pile of AI slop, then that is a less fulfilling world than currently.

I mean, cleaning up after outsourcing firms isn't the most glamorous work either, but we've done that for years too

Re: I was banned from Claude for scaffolding a Claude.md file?

#538

I was recently kicked out from ChatGPT because I wrote "a*hole" in a context where ChatGPT constantly kept repeating nonsense! I find the ban by OpenAI to be very intrusive. Remember, ChatGPT is a machine! And I did not hurt any sentient being with my statement, nor was the GPT chat public. As long as I do not hurt any feeling beings with my thoughts, I can do whatever I want, can't I? After all, as the saying goes,…

Wait what? I keep insulting ChatGPT way worse on a weekly basis (to me it's just a joke, albeit a very immature one). This is new to me that this behavior has any consequences. It never did for me.

same here. i just opened a new chat and sent "fuck you"

it replied with:

> lmao fair enough (smiling emoji)

> what’s got you salty—talk to me, clanka.

Re: I was banned from Claude for scaffolding a Claude.md file?

#539

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This whole API vs plan looks weird to me. Why not force everyone to use API? You pay for what you use, it's very simple. API should be the most honest way to monetize, right? This fixed subscription plan with some hardly specified quotas looks like they want to extract extra money from these users who pay $200 and don't use that value, at the same time preventing other users from going over $200. Like I understand th…

You're welcome to use the API, it asks you to do that when you run out of quota on your Pro plan. The next thing you find out is how expensive using the API is. More honest, perhaps, but you definitely will be paying for that.

I tried the API once. Burned 7 dollars in 15 minutes.

Re: I was banned from Claude for scaffolding a Claude.md file?

#540
post #124

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Skip to the end of the article. He says himself that this is a guess and provides the "missing" information if you are actually interested in it.

I read it, and it's not enough to make a judgement either way. For all we know none of this had anything to do with his ban and he was banned for something he did the day before. There's no way for third parties to be sure of anything in this kind of situation, where one party shares only the information they wish and the other side stays silent as a matter of default corporate policy. I am not saying that the author…

> There's no way for third parties to be sure of anything in this kind of situation,

Not just third parties, but also the first party can't be sure of anything - just as he said. This entire article was speculation because there was no other way to figure out what could've caused the ban.

> where one party shares only the information they wish and the other side stays silent as a matter of default corporate policy.

I don't think that's a fair viewpoint - because it implies that relevant information was omitted on purpose.

From my own experience with anthropic, I believe his story is likely true.

I mean they were terminating sessions left an right all summer/fall because of "violations"... Like literally writing "hello" in a clean project and first prompt and getting the session terminated.

This has since been mostly resolved, but I bet there are still edge cases on their janky "safety" measures. And looking at the linked claude.md, his theory checks out to me. I mean he was essentially doing what was banned in the TOS - iteratively finding ways to lead the model to doing something else them what it initially was going to do.

If his end goal was to write a malware which does, essentially, prompt injection... He'd go at it exactly like this. Hence sure as hell can imagine anthropic writing a prompt to analyze sessions determining bad actors which caught him

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