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Re: AI generated music barred from Bandcamp

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Post by campfireman »

olivierestsage wrote: post #16

Funny to see this right now. Spotify's promotion of AI music bothered me so much that it has actually pushed me to Bandcamp and the practice of buying music again. It's really fun to build a collection knowing you're supporting the artists, download FLAC files, organize your little "collection" page ... Feels like a renaissance in my relationship with music, the most fun I've had since what.cd. Anyway, love this stan…

I experienced a similar renaissance! Now using Nextcloud and Subsonic to stream music to my phone etc. Wrote a little article on my blog: https://blog.ture.dev/posts/goodbye-spotify-and-yt-music/

Re: AI generated music barred from Bandcamp

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Post by likium »

AlexandrB wrote: post #235
codexon wrote: post #183

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I find it interesting that there's so much pushback against ai generated art and music while there seems to be very little for ai generated code.

Music is art, code is engineering. "Hackers and painters"[1] was always wishful fluff, unfortunately. When it comes to code, I don't think anyone cares how the sausage is made, and only very rarely do people care by whom. The only question is "does it work well?" Art is totally different. Provenance is much more important - sometimes essential. David is a beautiful work, but you could 3d print or cast a replica of "D…

If someone painstakingly hand sculpted an exact replica of "David", does it make it art, or a forgery? Is hand written code to produce generative art not art?

It's difficult to pin down the line. Ultimately it's up to the individual to define them. "The relationship to art, and this kind of painting, to their work, varied with the person entirely."[1]

[1]: https://news.berkeley.edu/2025/03/31/berkeley-voices-transfo...

Re: AI generated music barred from Bandcamp

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Post by N-Krause »

eleventen wrote: post #119
olivierestsage wrote: post #16

Funny to see this right now. Spotify's promotion of AI music bothered me so much that it has actually pushed me to Bandcamp and the practice of buying music again. It's really fun to build a collection knowing you're supporting the artists, download FLAC files, organize your little "collection" page ... Feels like a renaissance in my relationship with music, the most fun I've had since what.cd. Anyway, love this stan…

Same for me! Switched to Bandcamp + Navidrome and have decided that one of my goals for the year is to find at least 2 albums per month I want to buy. I will shamelessly promote the bandcampsync [1] CLI tool for automating downloads of your bandcamp library and bandcamp-sync-flask [2] wrapper that I built so I could invoke it from the web on my phone after I buy an album. [1] https://github.com/meeb/bandcampsync [2]…

Awesome! Something that I had on my todo list the past couple of months, because I also switched from YT Music to Navidrome + Bandcamp. Feels great to own your music again.

Thanks for sharing your work!

Re: AI generated music barred from Bandcamp

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Post by pastel8739 »

raincole wrote: post #495
skramzy wrote: post #427

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> Sorry, that's AI. So is OCR, so is voice recognition, and many other things you probably use and take for granted Have you heard of machine learning?

The current genAI trend is machine learning too so what's the point of this question?

I think the point is that to most people, “AI” has a different meaning than “machine learning”

Re: AI generated music barred from Bandcamp

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Post by eleventen »

meeb wrote: post #473
eleventen wrote: post #119

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Same for me! Switched to Bandcamp + Navidrome and have decided that one of my goals for the year is to find at least 2 albums per month I want to buy. I will shamelessly promote the bandcampsync [1] CLI tool for automating downloads of your bandcamp library and bandcamp-sync-flask [2] wrapper that I built so I could invoke it from the web on my phone after I buy an album. [1] https://github.com/meeb/bandcampsync [2]…

Hi subdavis!

hey meeb :) thanks again for this tool!

Re: AI generated music barred from Bandcamp

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Post by codexon »

JohnFen wrote: post #231
codexon wrote: post #183

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I find it interesting that there's so much pushback against ai generated art and music while there seems to be very little for ai generated code.

Perhaps that's because there's an enormous difference between fine art and computer programs. Also, there's quite a lot of pushback against AI-generated code, but also because unlike music, normal people have no interest in and aren't aware of the code.

They are obviously different things, but aren't the people who spent thousands of hours honing their coding and releasing their code spending just as much time and effort if not more than the people who made non-ai images and music?

Re: AI generated music barred from Bandcamp

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Post by CrimsonRain »

munificent wrote: post #434
lukevp wrote: post #225

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And you create music without ever having heard music before? Or are you also extracting other artist’s work and using it as inspiration for what you do? AI music is the same as AI code. It’s derived from real code, but it’s not just regurgitated wholesale. You still as a person with taste have to guide it and provide inputs. Electronic music made it so you didn’t have to learn to play an instrument. Auto tune made it…

> Or are you also extracting other artist’s work and using it as inspiration for what you do? Yes, when I make music, I am taking inspiration from all of the other artists I've listened to and using that in my music. If someone listens to my music, they are getting some value from my contribution, but also indirectly from the musicians that inspired me. The difference between that and AI is that I am a human being wh…

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Re: AI generated music barred from Bandcamp

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Post by Krasnol »

JohnFen wrote: post #293
lukevp wrote: post #225

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And you create music without ever having heard music before? Or are you also extracting other artist’s work and using it as inspiration for what you do? AI music is the same as AI code. It’s derived from real code, but it’s not just regurgitated wholesale. You still as a person with taste have to guide it and provide inputs. Electronic music made it so you didn’t have to learn to play an instrument. Auto tune made it…

> Electronic music made it so you didn’t have to learn to play an instrument. Auto tune made it so you didn’t have to learn how to sing on key. Neither of those things are really true, though. They made it possible to make poor music without learning those things, I suppose, but not make good music. > Banning the new types of art Nobody is seriously talking about banning AI generated music. What you're seeing is a pl…

What is "good" music?

Re: AI generated music barred from Bandcamp

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Post by webprofusion »

webprofusion wrote: post #537

So where's the line? - if I use computer generated drums is that banned? Lots of tunes use computers for drums - if I use computer generated vocals is that different? Lots of vocals are heavily processed an have been for decades. Some have been computer generated.

My 2c : automatically disliking something because a computer did part of it is at best lazy, at worst wrong, but it should be up to individuals what they do and don't like. I get that they just want to have a ban-hammer to punish bots with, that's understandable.
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