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Post by ToucanLoucan »

nradov wrote: post #516
cael450 wrote: post #437

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I'm married to a provider. It is absolutely insane what she has to do for insurance. She's not a doctor, but she oversees extensive therapy for 5-10 kids at a time. Insurance companies completely dictate what she can and can't do, and frequently she is unable to do more in-depth, best-practice analysis because insurance won't pay for it. So her industry ends up doing a lot of therapy based on educated guesswork. Ever…

I generally agree (and sympathize with your wife), but let's not present an overly rosy view of government run healthcare or single-payer systems. In many countries with such systems, extensive therapy simply isn't available at all because the government refuses to pay for it. Every healthcare system has limited resources and care is always going to be rationed, the only question is how we do the rationing.

Every healthcare system has problems, yes. However the spectre of medical debt and bankruptcy is a uniquely American one, so, IMHO, even if we moved to single-payer healthcare and every other problem stayed the same, but we no longer shoved people into the capitalist fuck-barrel for things completely outside their control, I think that's an unmitigated, massive improvement.

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Post by SomaticPirate »

I had a friend who has now gotten several out of pocket MRIs essentially against medical advice because she believes her persistent headaches are from brain cancer.

Even after the first MRI essentially ruled this out, she fed the MRI to chatGPT which basically hallucinated that a small artifact of the scan was actually a missed tumor and that she needed another scan. Thousands wasted on pointless medical expenses.

Having friend's in healthcare, they have mentioned how common this is now. Someone coming in and demanding a set of tests based on chatGPT. They have explained that A, tests with false positives can actually be worse for you (triggers even more invasive tests) B, insurance won't cover any of your chatGPT requests.

Again, being involved in your care is important but disregarding the medical professional in front of you is a great way to set yourself up for substandard care.

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Post by threethirtytwo »

nradov wrote: post #525
threethirtytwo wrote: post #427

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It’s 120 to 130 which is similar to engineers. They aren’t that much smarter. The selection criteria is more about the ability to handle pressure than it is about raw intelligence. Tons of bottom feeders go to medical schools in say Kansas, so there’s a lot of leeway here in terms of intelligence.

What a weird comment. There are several good medical schools in Kansas. In particular the University of Kansas School of Medicine is top notch.

Only wierd for you because you got triggered by the Kansas part. In general the comment is true.

There’s a school in Kansas that sits right on top of Caribbean schools in terms of reputation. I know several people who had to go there.

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Post by Dilettante_ »

mherrmann wrote: post #250

I strained my groin/abs a few weeks ago and asked ChatGPT to adjust my training plan to work around the problem. One of its recommendations was planks, which is exactly the exercise that injured me. My cleaning lady's daughter had trouble with her ear. ChatGPT suggested injecting some oil into it. She did and it became a huge problem, so that she had to go to the hospital. I'm sure ChatGPT can be great, but take it w…

This is one of the main dividing lines wrt LLM usage and dangers: Not just believing what it tells you and finding hard sources before acting.

For some people this is obvious, so much so that they wouldn't even mention it, while others have seen only the hype and none of the horror stories.

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Post by SpicyLemonZest »

encyclopedism wrote: post #472
steveridout wrote: post #470

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Human doctors are probabilistic systems.

This type of naive response really is bothersome! Humans are probabilistic systems?! You might want to inform the world's top neuroscientists and philosophers to down tools. They were STILL trying to figure this out but you've already solved it! Well done.

I don't think it's a naive response. Perhaps it's obvious to you that human doctors can't produce an "exact correct solution", but quite a lot of people do expect this, and get frustrated when a doctor can't tell them exactly what's wrong with them or recommends a treatment that doesn't end up working.

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Post by godzillabrennus »

adam_patarino wrote: post #475
yoaviram wrote: post #471

This thread reads like an advertisement for ChatGPT Health. I came to share a blog post I just posted titled: "ChatGPT Health is a Marketplace, Guess Who is the Product?" OpenAI is building ChatGPT Health as a healthcare marketplace where providers and insurers can reach users with detailed health profiles, powered by a partner whose primary clients are insurance companies. Despite the privacy reassurances, your heal…

This. It’s the same play with their browser. They are building the most comprehensive data profile on their users and people are paying them to do it.

Is this any worse than Google? Seems like the same business model.

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Post by antiframe »

godzillabrennus wrote: post #537
adam_patarino wrote: post #475

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This. It’s the same play with their browser. They are building the most comprehensive data profile on their users and people are paying them to do it.

Is this any worse than Google? Seems like the same business model.

Does Google have your medical records? It doesn't have mine.

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Post by halapro »

JSR_FDED wrote: post #283
halapro wrote: post #251

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AI-guided self-medication is certainly problematic. Rubber-ducking your symptoms for free for as long as you need and then asking a doctor for their 2-minute opinion is IMHO the best way to go about healthcare in 2026. I live in a place where I can get anything related to healthcare and even surgery within the same day at an affordable price, and even here I've wasted days going to various specialists who just tried…

Your healthcare situation seems pretty darn good. What country is this?

Thailand is my go-to for healthcare in private hospitals. I heard good things about Singapore too. Taiwan's public hospitals were great too, albeit not as flashy.

Re: ChatGPT Health

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Post by ljm »

yoaviram wrote: post #471

This thread reads like an advertisement for ChatGPT Health. I came to share a blog post I just posted titled: "ChatGPT Health is a Marketplace, Guess Who is the Product?" OpenAI is building ChatGPT Health as a healthcare marketplace where providers and insurers can reach users with detailed health profiles, powered by a partner whose primary clients are insurance companies. Despite the privacy reassurances, your heal…

I get that impression too - but also it's HN and enthusiastic early adoption is unsurprising.

My concern, and the reason I would not use it myself, is the alto frequent skirting of externalities. For every person who says "I can think for myself and therefore understand if GPT is lying to me," there are ten others who will take it as gospel.

The worry I have isn't that people are misled - this happens all the time especially in alternative and contrarian circles (anti-vaxx, homeopathy, etc.) - it's the impact it has on medical professionals who are already overworked who will have to deal with people's commitment to an LLM-based diagnosis.

The patient who blindly trusts what GPT says is going to be the patient who argues tooth and nail with their doctor about GPT being an expert, because they're not power users who understand the technical underpinnings of an LLM.

Of course, my angle completely ignores the disruption angle - tech and insurance working hand in hand to undercut regulation, before it eventually pulls the rug.

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