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As AI gobbles up chips, prices for devices may rise

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Re: As AI gobbles up chips, prices for devices may rise

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For last 2 years, I've noticed a worrying trend: the typical budget PCs (especially Laptops) are being sold at higher prices with lower RAM (just 8GB) and lower-end CPUs (and no dedicated GPUs). Industry mandate should have become 16GB RAM for PCs and 8GB for mobile, since years ago, but instead it is as if computing/IT industry is regressing. New budget mobiles are being launched with lower-end specs as well (e.g.,…

> Industry mandate should have become 16GB RAM for PCs it was only less than 10 yrs ago that a high end PC would have this level of ram. I think the last decade of cheap ram and increasing core count (and hz) have spoiled a lot of people. We are just returning back on trend. May be software would be written better now that you cannot expect the average low budget PC to have 32G of ram and 8 cores.

You need to compare relative prices and availability too, from a VFM (value for money (price vs quality+quantity)) perspective.

A budget PC today at a certain price point (say, $500) would certainly have a lot more powerful CPU and faster disk storage and faster RAM than a similarly priced PC just 5 years ago.

But as OSes and programs get more bloated and more complex, I feel 1TB+ SSDs are required these days in PCs. Windows OS and programs themselves can take up hundreds of GBs of space.

But you will notice that budget PCs are being launched these days with lower-grade CPUs (i3 or equivalent), lesser RAM (8GB), lesser storage (256 or 500GB) SSD.

We seem to be regressing backwards in specs for PCs and even mobiles (good luck finding features like NFC and wireless charging in budget phones these days; though these features were available in same segment (budget phones) few years ago).

And it is not just due to AI, it is due to hardware manufacturers and assemblers thinking they can hoodwink consumers and sell us less value for more price.

Re: As AI gobbles up chips, prices for devices may rise

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> If everyone wants chips, semiconductor manufacturing supply should be increased. Governments should subsidize domestic semiconductor industries and the conditions for them to thrive (education, etc.) to meet both goals of domestic and economic security, and do it in a way that works. If there is already demand at this inflated price, shouldn’t we ask why more capacity is not coming online naturally first?

> If there is already demand at this inflated price, shouldn’t we ask why more capacity is not coming online naturally first? ...and why it has been consistently the case for a long while.

Yes, one of the most valuable companies in the world has been supply strained for years. Unless incredibly well focused investments are made, cash is not the problem. Subsidies are madness.

Re: As AI gobbles up chips, prices for devices may rise

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There is no monopoly in AI. I can name at least 10 big actors worldwide.

If they collude on pricing and restrict new entrants, that's what the Sherman anti trust laws are about.

I'd be very surprised if Alibaba colludes with OpenAI for pricing

Re: As AI gobbles up chips, prices for devices may rise

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A dedicated GPU is a red flag for me in a laptop. I do not want the extra power draw or the hybrid graphics sillyness. The Radeon Vega in my ThinkPad is surprisingly capable.

For me it's a necessity to run the software I need to do my work (CAD design)

How so? APUs have gotten powerful enough that they can manage even moderately demanding games (at reasonable resolutions).
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