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Re: Airbus to migrate critical apps to a sovereign Euro cloud

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Americans really need to consider stuff outside their little bubble sometimes and think about how their country is just a gear in a much larger system. Of course American power is being pissed away by the guy hurting the transatlantic alliance American power was built on in the first place. Your internal generational squabbles don't concern us. How you present yourself externally does, and that's worse than it's been…

> Your internal generational squabbles don't concern us. Of course it doesn't, like how European's view of Americans doesn't matter to the vast majority of us. Every country has some sort of 'bubble', or a set of concerns and shared history only relevant to the in-group. I couldn't give a rats ass about the generational history of Europe either, for instance. > How you present yourself externally does, and that's wor…

> Well, of course, I'm sure the potential of not recieving massive military aid anymore, and no longer having the ability to run the country dry, would be very noticeable. If that was the cost of maintaining Europe as an ally, then being viewed in a more negative light is simply a necessary expense.

See, this is exactly what I mean with my above post.

The US is a rich and powerful country, but it's actively sabotaging the foundation of said wealth and power.

The "massive military aid" was free power projection for you guys, giving your military access to another third of the globe. It was also a massive subsidy program for US industry, with us buying your stuff.

US wealth is built on access to our market, yet you were convinced you were the ones doing us a favour.

Truth is, the US has been the wealthiest and most powerful country, not by accident or by divine providence, but by our grace.

Nero is burning Rome and the plebeians are cheering him on.

Re: Airbus to migrate critical apps to a sovereign Euro cloud

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You can't comment like this on Hacker News, no matter who or what you're replying to. You've taken a flamewar 15 comments deep. That's exactly what we're trying to avoid here. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.

My apologies, tomhow. I got a little bit carried away.

I'm late to this but thanks for the reply :)

Re: Airbus to migrate critical apps to a sovereign Euro cloud

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Yeah they are just insane whishfull thinkers. I calculated the costs of covering the needs of Germany for a 2 days low production event (as it happened between 6-9 december) and you would need about a trillion dollar. That's for something that cannot even garantee you more than 48h of runtime for half the country's needs. You would need at least 4 times that to be safe. Even if batteries price are divided by 2 (very…

I did a conservative calculation if you started around 2000 in Germany and went full nuclear like France did. Not using any fancy new nuclear or anything. Literally just mass production of standard nuclear plants. Plus all the updates of the grid, including domestic fuel enrichment and 'waste' storage. Plus all the investment necessary to great a fully modern grid to electrify the economy. We are talking in the order…

Yeah, pretty much this.

One thing that is really important to understand is that power is not something that is uniformely needed everywhere at the same level. Traditionally, power plants were created close to where industries needed them. Renewables require specific conditions to be viable and those factors are not necesseraly what allows industries to thrive, so you need a lot of additional infrastructure to make it possible.

Turns out this infrastructure is extremely coslty and very hard to make reliable. So, even if you have infinite money, that's a massive challenge in itself. But now Europe does not have that much money, the massive debt burdens being a large evidence of this. Yet we are asked to pay more for this future, in the name of climate change, even though most of the factors contributing to this is already happening overseas, largely out of the control of European regulations. So what is the point exactly ?

In the long run, it just ends up making everyone more dependent on external powers while weakening the position of the countries that believe in that "solution".

Nuclear constructions costs are largely overblown, because of the massive bureaucracy/over-regulation, thanks to Germany in no small part. If China can manage to build twice as fast at half the cost, we are doing something wrong for sure.

But the conversation is dominated by ideologues, that have an sadist like fetish. As if weakening your position will ever make your competition/enemies take pity on you and allows you to dictate the terms of the converstion, because people are supposed to be nice, right ?

Even with perfect implementation, there is no way to make renewables work to allow industries to thrive, and now we are going to pay the price of those poor political choices.

With all the money in the world, it was already a discutable choice, but now it is just replacing depence on fossil fuel with depence on overseas manufacturing (most of it in China). Funny thing is that China is not that stupid, and we are selling them the knowledge/skillset to become dominant on the cheap. I just can't fathom what was going on in the mind of the decision makers 20 years ago, but now it seems they are just insane. There is no way it will work in 15 years, yet we needed that power generation yesterday.

In the process of trying to make climate change better, we have done the reverse. Now people are burning more wood, and I feel like we might go back to coal if electricity doesn't become cheaper (for residential heat). Gas is hopeless, even if the depency on Russia wasn't that strong. Electric cars are very nice but if it turns out to be more expensive to run them than just using foreign oil it's not going to happen.

I'm just rambling at this point but it feels like there was a large anti-nuclear sentiment by people who are dominated by irrational fears and they have dominated our politics for the worse. It's really not usefull to fear a nuclear meltdown if you end up making your people poorer overtime. Why would you fear something with such a low probability of problems if you end up having to become dependent on foreing power that has no such quaslm.

France had the right path but then leftist ideologues took power and Germany's sabotaging did the rest. In theory we are not at war but in practice, there is very much an economical/ideological battleground going on and we are losing it.

Re: Airbus to migrate critical apps to a sovereign Euro cloud

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We are discussing 2014. Russian armed forces were present there from the get-go, and hybrid approaches were there long before 2014 too.

Was that when Obama capitulated to Putin and permitted him to annex Crimea? Perhaps that was the "more flexibility" that he secretly promised Putin he would have after his election. I wonder what he got in return for it.

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Re: Airbus to migrate critical apps to a sovereign Euro cloud

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A necessary step to reduce risk to infrastructure given that the US government has become erratic and has decided it is now anti-Europe. The US means to undermine the EU: https://www.dw.com/en/will-trump-pull-italy-austria-poland-h... The US means to annex European territory: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0j9l08902eo It's the same reason you don't want Chinese equipment in your telecommunications infrastructure.…

Europe should be building domestic digital capacity regardless (and not just servers) but saying it needs to treat the US like China is a bit melodramatic given the economic and physical threat to Europe is 10X greater in the east. The US is not anti-Europe. The US has just begun to start evaluating its relationship with Europe rationally and wants it to grow up beyond the post-WW2 training wheels. The overreaction t…

Might have something to do with trying to split off various EU countries and threatening to annex Greenland. Or maybe that's part of the growing-up process.
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