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Re: Sick of smart TVs? Here are your best options

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Post by gosub100 »

account42 wrote: post #523
gosub100 wrote: post #444

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Because if you own a TV manufacturing company, you can sell more TVs if they have more features. You can get more features by including a linux SBC and integrating it. In fact, some of the paid-app makers will even _pay you_ for this "real estate". You could make a dumb-tv, but you wouldn't sell as many and you would have to charge more.

> and you would have to charge more Non-commodity consumer products are rarely sold at cost but rather at whatever price the market will bear.

And the market will bear a lower price for a product with fewer features

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Post by jcalvinowens »

atq2119 wrote: post #516
jcalvinowens wrote: post #511

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Lawyers who make these decisions are so risk averse in my experience they'd still probably insist on it being nonmodifiable.

Sure, which is why right to repair laws are so important. I understand this discussion as being about how society should deal with it, not how you could try to make the argument internal to a company.

Right, I'm saying I don't think codifying limitations on liability in law will be effective, because it probably wouldn't be absolute enough to satisfy the lawyers. You need a law that actually says "the user must be free to modify the device".

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Post by dpark »

bookofjoe wrote: post #521
dpark wrote: post #421

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Power hungry and heavy as hell. I had a 55” plasma that weighed about 150lb with the base.

Refrigerators, stoves, and washing machines are also heavy as hell. Like our plasma TVs, once situated their weights are irrelevant.

The weight of something that is typically mounted to a wall seems very relevant. Most TV mounts are not rated to hold the weight of a plasma TV. A poorly installed or insufficient mount could definitely fail.

Plasma TVs not mounted to the wall are also concerning for safety reasons. A plasma TV tipped onto a young child would likely cause significant injury above and beyond what an LCD would cause.

I loved my plasma but I feel like the weight was a real issue.

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Post by dragonwriter »

bookofjoe wrote: post #521
dpark wrote: post #421

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Power hungry and heavy as hell. I had a 55” plasma that weighed about 150lb with the base.

Refrigerators, stoves, and washing machines are also heavy as hell. Like our plasma TVs, once situated their weights are irrelevant.

Refrigerators, stoves, and washing machines are rarely suspended from walls or situated on consoles from which they could easily be tipped over; televisions, OTOH...

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Post by raw_anon_1111 »

herewulf wrote: post #512
raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #401

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Why would someone want to sync bookmarks, browsing history etc between their phone, their iPad and their computer? Chrome and Firefox do the same.

Firefox only does this if you set it up that way. It's in no way obligatory. That is a far cry from Apple and Google.

And you can disable bookmark syncing for both Google and Safari.

But what privacy threat are you trying to avoid by not having your bookmarks and history synced in an E2E manner where Apple can’t see either?

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Post by AshamedCaptain »

raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #506
AshamedCaptain wrote: post #498

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Apple TV's TV program (a.k.a. Apple TV's TV app) (and this is just the what I can easily see with my own eyes -- who knows what else).

See how much the AppleTV app knows about what you watch on Netflix. The apps voluntarily integrate what you are currently watching and in the middle of watching with the AppleTV app so you can get a consolidated view. Apple isn’t going in and monitoring any more than it’s monitoring your email when it is sent to you.

Netflix is one of the few services that is not in the Apple TV program.

I knew you would consider this as acceptable tracking. That is my point.

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Post by throwaway94275 »

lobsterthief wrote: post #490
throwaway94275 wrote: post #420

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I hope this happens, because with the security track record of these companies it would mean free Internet. These would quickly become web torrent video portals.

Wouldn’t they just limit the bandwidth per TV based on some hardware key?

if the pipe is big and low-latency enough for ads it'll work for anything else.

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Post by raw_anon_1111 »

AshamedCaptain wrote: post #537
raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #506

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See how much the AppleTV app knows about what you watch on Netflix. The apps voluntarily integrate what you are currently watching and in the middle of watching with the AppleTV app so you can get a consolidated view. Apple isn’t going in and monitoring any more than it’s monitoring your email when it is sent to you.

Netflix is one of the few services that is not in the Apple TV program. I knew you would consider this as acceptable tracking. That is my point.

How is Apple tracking you when apps are sending information to it? Is Apple also tracking your email when companies send email to your iCloud email address?

Absolutely everyone in the Apple ecosystem complains about Netflix not integrating with the AppleTV app.

Which by the way you can delete….

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Post by allarm »

nottorp wrote: post #334
allarm wrote: post #303

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Please provide a specific example of a tv that does that, or stop spreading misinformation.

I was just extrapolating. Why wouldn't a "smart" device connect to any wifi it has credentials for, and why wouldn't the implementation consider "has credentials" to include "it doesn't need any"? But now I wonder why your aggressivity sounds so defensive.

Don't be so upset. Next time think twice before posting and check your sources. Don't spread misinformation and urban legends.
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