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Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Consider the plight of a policy-maker who changes their stance on some issue. They may have changed their mind in light of new information, or evolved their position as a result of deeper reflection, personal experience, or maturation. Opponents will accuse them of "waffling" or "flip-flopping", indicating a lack of reliability or principles (if not straight-up bribery). Elected officials are responsible for expressi…

The demonization of "flip-flopping" is so stupid. Bro, I want my politicians to change their minds when new facts arise or when public sentiment changes. The last thing we need is more dogmatic my-way-or-the-highway politicians that refuse to change their minds about anything.

The underlying issues are:

1) People don't really vote based on logic and sound reasoning. They vote based on what sounds right to them. If they're unhappy with something, they vote for somebody who also claims to be unhappy about it, regardless if he has any actual solutions.

2) Even for the minority who wants to vote based on sound principles, it's very hard to push information back to them. If the politician changes his mind, he has to explain it to his voters. Are there really platforms which allow in-depth conversations in political debates?

Every university classroom has a whiteboard and a projector. Because you need to draw graphs, diagrams, etc. You need to explain the general structure and then focus on the details without losing track of the whole.

Is there a single country where politicians use either when talking to each other or voters?

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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> A righteous, passionate anger can be indistinguishable from love. ... love can be anger, anger can be love. These are just word games. Blurring and mixing what we mean with different words. To say what? Passion takes different forms and can be a hell of a motivator? Nobody disputes that. There's clearly a difference between anger and love. GP was addressing that difference and recommended to focus on the healthier…

Is there? I am not playing games! What is the anger that arises from you when one you care for is hurt because of some violence or injustice? Is that not an expression of love? What is that particular anger you can feel towards a romantic life partner of many years? One that can only be based in an already profound intimacy, in some deep fidelity? Don't you feel that same love you have always felt for them, but in a…

Of course there is a difference between anger and love. Either one can be present without the other, and that they can sometimes mix and play off each other does not change that they are different.

You are playing around with words to pretend they are the same. That's very poetic and dramatic, but I hope you realize that love is not the same as anger, and that neither truly requires the other.

If done right, love can eat anger. If done wrong, anger will eat love, and much more. These outcomes are not the same. That's were the game gets serious, and that's why I'm being such an ass about what you wrote.

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Why would zig care that a project written in zig is used for AI?

Usually programming languages need that killer project to sell themselves, instead of being something only language nerds play with, Bun was one of such projects.

Bun still exists. as does tigerbeetle

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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IMHO, the main advantage of github is that it is an ecosystem. This is a well-thought-out Swiss knife: a pioneering (but no longer new) PR system, convenient issues, as well as a well-formed CI system with many developed actions and free runners. In addition, it is best to use code navigation simply in a web browser. You write code, and almost everything works effortlessly. Having a sponsorship system is also great,…

I don't agree with this at all. I think the reason Github is so prominent is the social network aspects it has built around Git, which created strong network effects that most developers are unwilling to part with. Maintainers don't want to loose their stars and the users don't want to loose the collective "audit" by the github users. Things like number of stars on a repository, number of forks, number of issues answ…

> Things like number of stars on a repository, number of forks, number of issues answered, number of followers for an account. All these things are powerful indicators of quality

They're NOT! Lots of trashy AI projects have +50k stars.

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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I don't agree with this at all. I think the reason Github is so prominent is the social network aspects it has built around Git, which created strong network effects that most developers are unwilling to part with. Maintainers don't want to loose their stars and the users don't want to loose the collective "audit" by the github users. Things like number of stars on a repository, number of forks, number of issues answ…

These are the only reasons I use GitHub. The familiarity to students and non-developers is also a plus. I have no idea what the parent comment is talking about a "well-formed CI system." GitHub Actions is easily the worst CI tool I've ever used. There are no core features of GitHub that haven't been replicated by GitLab at this point, and in my estimation GitLab did all of it better. But, if I put something on GitLab…

I am surprised by the comments about GH CI. I first started using CI on GL, then moved to GH and found GH's to let me get things done more easily.

It's been years through and the ease of doing simple things is not always indicative of difficult things. Often quite the contrary...

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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That's rough ... it is a bad, bad world out there.

Try exposing a paswordless SSH server to outside to see what happens. It'll be tried immediately, non-stop. Now, all the servers I run has no public SSH ports, anymore. This is also why I don't expose home-servers to internet. I don't want that chaos at my doorstep.

Expose it on port 22 on ipv6 and it might as well be invisible. Cleanest logs ever.

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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there's certainly a higher rejection rate for github PRs

correlation, not causation. Lowest common denominator way will always get worst quality

sure it's correlation, but the signal-to-noise ratio is low enough that if you send it in via github PR, there's a solid chance of it being ignored for months / years before someone decides to take a look.

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Usually programming languages need that killer project to sell themselves, instead of being something only language nerds play with, Bun was one of such projects.

Bun still exists. as does tigerbeetle

Lets see for how long, after the acquisition.

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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How you treat others says everything about you and nothing about the other person. In this case, the unnecessary insults detract from the otherwise important message, and reflect poorly on Zig. They were right to edit it.

People who are unhappy with Zig are free to use something else and not engage with the community.

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